Eric Trump reveals HE told Donald FBI raided Mar-a-Lago: Ex-President's son claims agents 'ransacked

You are wrong. If trump were to raise a positive defense that he had declassified the documents while he was still president, the burden of proof would be on him to provide evidence to support that defense.
The bar would not be terribly high - he would only have to raise a reasonable doubt - but the burden of proof would be on him.

 

I'll try a simple approach to your reply.

Yes, I don't want Trump to run again... mostly because a critical review of his accomplishments as president reveals that he was not nearly effective enough at anything he attempted. If you trouble yourself enough to read my posts during Trump's four years in office, you'll see paragraph after paragraph describing these shortcomings in detail. It would take me hours to repeat them all for you now, but they encompass everything from 'the border', to the economy, to 'tax-reform', to foreign policy, to failed promises regarding lowing drug prices, and on and on. Moreover, both his temperament and management style are ill-suited for this unique office: he's bombastic, mercurial, unpredictable, reactive, and far too confrontational and opinionated. Ooh... sounds like a "Trump-hater"... right?

Now comes the part that you won't like. With all his deficiencies, faults, hot-headed temperament, and tendencies to alienate the powerful people that a President of the United States MUST work with whether he likes them or not, Trump is vastly superior as a serious presidential contender to ANYONE I've seen emerge in the Democrat Party for decades! As an Australian, you must be thinking, "Well, then, it's a damned low 'bar' that these Yanks have if someone like Trump can be thought to be superior to anyone in the opposition!" And, unfortunately, you'd be right. But, I'm an anachronism... for me, the Democrat Party went into a 'death-spiral' with the assassination of John F. Kennedy. After him, all we saw among Democrat leadership were hucksters who leveraged welfare programs to gain power through the votes of a population increasingly seduced into sitting on its indolent ass and letting the government support it.

Back to Trump and the raid.... You obviously feel that A. G. Garland acted appropriately, and that what the FBI conducted at his behest was not a "raid", and I know that nothing (NOTHING) I can say will change your mind, or that of anyone else who sees nothing wrong with the way this action was instigated or carried out. Indeed, inasmuch as you don't even find fault with the idea of impeaching a president -- TWICE -- with 'Articles' that do not even include the enumeration of a single crime, any hope of persuading you that what Garland did was heavy-handed, politically-driven, and completely vindictive would be futile.

And that, Bush Lawyer, is why I simply 'fast-forward' to the conclusion that this whole rotten, ill-conceived bag of political **** will have to be 'sorted' by our Supreme Court -- and I do believe that you and I can and do agree on at least THAT much. My fingertips hurt... I'll stop for now.

Afterthought, and question: I know that as an Australian, it may not be an altogether fair question, but if you were an American, who would you desire to see in the White House on January 20, 2025? I don't ask this so that I can snipe at you, but rather, I'm always interested in the opinions of foreigners.

 

The right wing "logic" kills me. They want to make a claim that has no supporting evidence and then claim we have to prove them wrong.

Same logic: I can turn invisible. Prove me wrong.

 

Fake news. It was pretext. Any classified docs were declassified and the PRA is not a criminal statute. It was a pretext by the lying AG/FBI/DOJ to fix the 2024 election because they fear Trump above all others. And they were coordinating with the dog and pony show of the J6 committee, the head of which is fired by The People.

They had to search Melania's closet for nuclear secrets? What kind of fools lie like that to an Epstein Judge? No wonder these clowns are desperately hiding the affidavit, it would make the fact that they are liars trying to fix the 2024 election even more undeniable.

Only 82 more days!

 

You don't want to see it, but, declassified or not, keeping these documents is a crime. Besides, these documents are still marked "Top Secret"; how is that?

Regarding your beloved Melania's closet, do you think they are so small that a box of documents couldn't fit in? Ludicrous!

 

Mir a Lagoon is a secure location with 24/7/365 constant government guard. His OFFICIAL office is located there.

 

Fake News, they were previously declassifed and the PRA isn't a criminal statute. That's why the desperate thugs that are trying to fix the 2024 election are hiding the lying affadvit they swore to the Epstein Judge and then claimed that they had to search Melania's drawers for nuclear secrets. No one with a brain is fooled by their false pretext that allowed them to toss the house of the likely winner of 2024 who will defeat the Democrat nominee. You know it, I know it, The American People know it.

No wonder they are hiding the affidavit. A six year old knows the answer to this one. Do you think that declassification magically erases previous stamps on previously classified documents?

Just 82 days!

 

The long-established principle in American jurisprudence is that the prosecution must prove (PROVE) that a defendant is guilty in any criminal trial. It is not (NOT) the responsibility of the defendant to prove innocence, as charged. I'm not a lawyer, but at least I made it out of high school before public schools in America turned into Left-wing indoctrination complexes. If I'm wrong, then I've misunderstood every principle of justice built into our legal system, which was built on Roman Law and English Common Law.

 

The principle is correct. But, if the prosecution says classified documents were recovered during the search, and shows, as evidence, the mark still on the documents, it will be hard to deny it.

 

Yes, you're not a lawyer and the logic wouldn't pass a third-grade test.

It is a logical impossibility to prove a universal negative. Do you even know what that means? Do you have a clue what I'm talking about ?

And it doesn't matter if they were classified or not. Do you even know that?

 

Even more infuriating that seen the king of the dunces dancing, is to see how he got there.

 

I'm seeing that the affidavit will be partially unsealed. Looks like the DoJ has a week to recommend their redactions and then Reinhardt will review and offer his redactions.

This is just a guess based on what we saw with the initial release of the FISA warrant applications but I suspect that we'll get several pages of black with words such as "Trump", "Classified" and "Mar-a-Lago" unredacted.

 

He also wants them to argue why they should be redacted. Bought time and now the DOJ will not be able to drip drip this crap.

 

And, if Trump lies under oath about it, and it is proven that he has lied about it, he must be found guilty of perjury and punished accordingly! See? I'm not (NOT) trying to say that Donald Trump, as a private citizen, must be shielded or exempted from American 'Rule of Law' -- but I am saying that the powers and prerogatives of the Presidency as a coequal part of our Government, described in the Constitution, must be treated with great focus and deliberation. Thus -- and here I go again -- the whole big, wormy bag of **** is going to end up at the Supreme Court.

 

Oh, no! So all of the foundational assumptions regarding an individual's guilt and innocence before a court of law going back through history all the way to the Code of Hammurabi in 1,750 B. C. are wrong?! Cool! I think I'll start my own crime wave! And since you are obviously a legal expert, I can engage your services after I'm apprehended to defend me... right?

 

Based on the past 6 years, the leaks will come no matter what the judge says.

 

Okeedokee.

With TDS, one of your comrades will add!

First sentence. Nah.....As an Aussie I have no dog in this brawl. I am neither Republican nor Democrat, and yes, you are right...if Humpty is, in your view the best there has been on offer....the USA is in deep doo doo. I don't think I have seen anyone (from this great distance) I would toss up as Presidential material....but.....I do admire Liz Cheney for having the balls (the conviction in principle) to put her own own head on the chopping block.

You have mis-read me. My position is that I do not make the assumption that there was something untoward about the warrant and its execution in the absence of evidence to support taking that stand. By way of contrast, the Men of Humpty (trying to put him back together again) fall over backwards with all sorts of assumptions and allegations of wrongdoing by the Sheriff simply because their tin god was the subject of a judicial process and without the fabled scintilla of evidence to support their bizarre claims.

I do not see both matters (impeachment and Garland) as being in the same postcode. You may have fallen victim to Humpty's cauldron claims of 'witch hunt' etc. My view is that you don't need a crime to impeach, and in my view, on the evidence available, the impeachments were soundly based. Humptys conduct was/is appalling. On the evidence available, Sheriff garland is just doing his day job.

Yes, I have already conceded that.

I am not familiar enough with the political scene to answer that question, but, you and I do agree....anyone but Humpty will do, and I don't care whether they are an ass or an elephant.

 

It doesn't matter if the documents were classified or not.

 

Re: Revised Burisma Proposal, Contract and Invoice (bidenlaptopemails.com)

 

So doing what was Constitutionally required of him somehow equates to him garnering praise for being strong?

Pence knew mid-December, which is a few weeks before J6 that it was a no-go and he remained quiet and enabled the "Stop the Steal" fury to perpetuate and the expectations and demands on him not counting the electoral votes to continue.
He was and is spineless, afraid of Trump, afraid of losing any of Trump's base as voters should he need them someday.
If he was a man with a spine he very easily could have done the right thing which was address the nation and in as few words possible tell everyone NO! and will do as all the past VPs did and count the votes.
F*uck Pence.

 

Wrong again!

Try this, it's dumbed down for us.


"Trump's DOJ won a 2018 case that undermines claims about his broad declassification powers

The case in question involved a New York Times request for documents relating to covert operations in Syria that Trump had revealed in a tweet by criticizing "massive, dangerous, and wasteful payments to Syrian rebels" made by the United States government.

By talking about the matter publicly, argued the New York Times, Trump had in essence declassified the existence of the program, which would then make documents about it available to reporters through requests via the Freedom of Information Act.

The Trump DOJ pushed back on this, however, and successfully argued that mere presidential proclamations are insufficient to formally declassify documents."

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https://www.rawstory.com/trump-declassification/

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double post

 

We don't know what happens in emergency situations with top-secret/classified documents yet what we do know, emergency or non emergence is that you don't take that/those documents home with you when you leave the White House on any given January 20th.

 

5th.Avenue Syndrome.

 

OMG! Had Biden not Trump would be out of debt by now and still going until his last breath .lol