Trump Had More Than 300 Classified Documents at Mar-a-Lago

Clinton violated the espionage act. Is she above the law?

 

I am having trouble getting through. As confirmed by the supreme court no less a president has plenary power and authority to declassify any thing he choose at any time he chooses in any manner he chooses. There can be no federal officer, agency, congress person or judge who can interfere with or inhibit the president's constitutional authority. What actual executive authority would a president have if some low level bureaucrat can tell him he can't do this or that?

 

Your last sentence is not even remotely true. There is a formal process, period. !!

 

She was investigated. No intent was established. Now Trump is being investigated. Given the volume of material and his continued refusal to comply, there seems to be much more to go on for intent there.

 

In the case of TS and TS/SCI and SAP documents, the Act will depend on damage assessments. If the damage assessments are severe, though I don't know what the government's threshold and criteria are, it could be enough to warrant an indictment. To me, however, it is clear that this DOJ is not quick to indict, and it appears they are giving the president the benefit of any doubt where there are any.

The Fourth amendment speaks of 'unreasonable searches and seizures'.

Searching for stolen property in order to retrieve it, after spending a year asking for it, subpoenaing for it neither of which worked, is not 'unreasonable'.

That which is 'created by the president', as long as the creation was achieved arising out of presidential duties and responsibilities, is property of the US Government, in the same fashion that if you invent something working for, say, X corporation, then Corporation X has the right to the patent, not you.

Whether or not not paying taxes is a crime or not or a civil matter depends wholly on intent. Anyone can make a mistake, in such cases, one merely calculates the mistake and pays it. But, if one intentionally defrauds the US Taxpayer, that could be made a crime, it all depends on whether the prosecutors think they can prove intent or not, or rather, this is my understanding of the law. But, not paying taxes can be fined, at the minimum.

 

Actually, she must not have. Otherwise she would have been charged and found guilty, but neither happened ... AFTER ... many arduous investigations. Not that it matters to tRaitor tRumps current situation.

 

Intent isn't needed. The law states that "gross negligence" is all that's required to be a violation.

Face it: Clinton broke the law and she got a free pass. Looks like someone is above the law after all.

 

Even negligence involves mens rea if there are going to be criminal charges. None was established. Face it: you are desperate to talk about anything other than the actual topic because you have no way of actually defending Trump's actions.

 

Source please.

 

Again, given that there is no procedural requirement for declassification his public statement that he intends to declassify them should be conclusive.

THE DAILY WIRE, — NEWS AND COMMENTARY —, President Trump Claims He Will ‘Declassify ***Everything’*** Over Democrat ‘Lying’ And ‘Treason’, By Emily Zanotti, Dec 13, 2020. (Emphasis mine)
https://www.dailywire.com/news/pres...fy-everything-over-democrat-lying-and-treason

Like the raid, any charges filed will be viewed as a DP election cycle smear.

 

The law doesn't say that. Kristian Saucier was convicted for taking a picture inside a submarine. He had no criminal intent.

Fact is: you're condoning a double standard.

 

Because they didn't know Trump had more sensitive materials.

They asked nicely multiple times for all top secret files. Trump handed some over, but signed a document that all top secret files were handed over. Then an informant notified the FBI that Trump did not hand over everything, so tthr FBI said 1.5 years is enough time to comply.

 

Seems more likely an inability^ to focus/deflect vs rebut. But, you do you.

 

Obviously making a false charge against Clinton does nothing to diminish the criminality of Sticky Fingers Donnie Trump. Unlike 5th Amendment Donnie, Clinton cooperated with both the FBI and the House select committee-11hours of testimony.

 

Numerous posters have provided links. Anyone who had or has a security clearance knows this.

 

You may have all the excuses you like!
IF it were the case as you stated, I'd gladly be on board with you. Problem is, what you stated isn't really true.
The case for the FBI was opened long before the Steele dossier.
And I do believe in questioning. It's important to get an accurate account.
But to do that, you have to give in to following the facts, and they don't lead to where you wound up.
Besides, you have a preconceived notion about political things. No amount of evidence contrary to what you already believe will convince you.
But I applaud the notion that you can think what you like.
Just don't expect anyone else to follow suit.

 

Are you claiming the DOJ needs permission from the fbi to charge someone??? Source?

 

What is everything? Every classified document is no longer classified?? Like all of them??

 

"Special Counsel Robert Mueller found significant evidence that Donald Trump may have obstructed justice, but he declined to charge him based on his view of how the law should work.

In a 400-page report sent to Congress Thursday, the former FBI director spelled out a view of the constitutional limitations placed on prosecutors which guided his decision-making in not charging Trump.

At the same time, he plainly stated that if he could have said that Trump was innocent of obstruction of justice, he would have done so.

“The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intents present difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred,” Mueller wrote. “Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him".
https://time.com/5573289/robert-mueller-trump-obstruction-charges/

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/20/1118625157/doj-barr-trump-russia-investigation-memo

Not yet

 

A swing and a miss!
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-obama-million-documents-929954890662
The classified documents remain in a NARA storage facility in Maryland, awaiting proper processing before sending to Chicago.
Notice that they are awaiting proper processing, meaning that to be put on display, they had to be declassified and not released to Obama or anyone else, I guess unless they follow protocols.
So the "but but but Obama did it" argument is ridiculous.
I'll repeat something from the other day, anyone who takes Trump's word for anything is a fool.

 

Another source, jic.: https://www.poynter.org/fact-checki...ersonally-kept-33-million-pages-of-documents/

 

Hmmm you better let OBAMA know! Amazing they just happen to have a facility close to the library lol.
https://www.obamalibrary.gov/about-us

 

To be a double standard, they would need to have done the same thing. That isn't the case. Fact is: you are still running away and hiding from the topic.

 

Has he challenged the validity of the warrant in court? That’s news to me.
Got a source for that?

 

Obama already knows. They only people who don't know this **** are Trump's desperate supporters who refuse to do more than 5 minutes of homework and keep copy/pasting the lies they've been fed about Obama keeping any such documents in his personal possession.