Canadian police: 10 dead, 15 injured from stabbings

Violent criminals?

Murderers you mean

 

Talking to your echo chamber pal won't help

 

I love UK... did a lot of business there before I retired... worked the MoD a lot. I have very pleasant memories of my time in Britain.

 

Yes, we are a military nation.you could call it a military dictatorship. How do you think a tiny nation ruled the world, through diplomacy?! hahaha

 

A much more informative table. Murder rate higher than Angola!
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country

 

IOW, far more people need to be carrying guns.

 

I don't think it will be long now:

 

But, in Canada, the right to self defense doesn't exist.

 

I'm familiar with the area...have contacts in SK Canada....started off in the reserve , then spread out....currently suspects still at large...believed to be in Regina area....they could be hiding at other reserves....someone may be harboring them?

Whatever way ....these 2 are walking dead men.

 

Per Wikipedia Canada does not have the death penalty:

 

Only one left:

 

What makes you think a firearm would have made a difference in this particular case? This wasn't some crazies running around in a crowded public space yelling at the top of their voices while waving a knives in the air and carrying a placard in the other hand saying 'I'm going to murder you'. These were apparently isolated, one on one attacks conducted in rural and semi rural parts of the country by persons who for the most part appear to have known their victims or (in at least once instance) simply walked up to the potential victim and engaged them in conversation.

I presume your aware of the the concept called 'the reactionary gap'? If not look it up there are videos on-line regarding the subject. The gap is not a theory, its cold hard fact of human physiology and has been demonstrated in real life situations on countless occasions. And the only way to protect yourself? Is to remain vigilante to potential threats, closely observe the demeanor of people you interact with and use the geography of the engagement space to minimize the chances of a surprise attack. This is what LEOs do (or should be doing) every time they speak to a member of the public while on duty. Now you might be GI Joe in disguise and you might be able to maintain the good habits and situational alertness needed minimize the risk of knife attacks 24/7 365 days a year. But outside of books and movies the reality is almost no-one can or does because that kind of thing takes requires training & both physical and mental effort to sustain for any length of time.

So basically? I can pretty much assure that even were you armed with a firearm I or just about anyone on this forum, provided they kept their decorum and hid the blade (which is what these guys did apparently) would under normal circumstances be able to approach you in public and reach you with that knife before you could react and shoot. And yes the same applies to me. That's just how it is.

Where a firearm might make a difference? Attacks on multiple persons in crowed public places in view of armed Police or members of the public (think the London Terrorist attack). But again even then the first people attacked are going to be hurt regardless. And why? You guessed it! The armed responders need time to react. This was NOT one of those times.

 

These clowns broke into people's homes and stabbed them. This wasn't some fictional, perfect scenario ambush that you seem to think is realistic.

So yeah, there was no element of surprise and an armed defender could have put these bastards down.

 

Would have been one if the people had guns to protect themselves.

 

Firstly it's been confirmed they knew some of their victims so in those specific cases no break in would necessarily have been required.

Secondly, it's entirely possible to break into someone home without the occupier being aware of the fact until its too late.

Thirdly who said anything about an ambush? Ambushes are planned. Any person can walk up to someone they know or a random stranger in public with malicious intent and then stab them before that person can react. You could do it, I could do it anyone could. No 'perfect' scenario required, just pure bad luck on behalf of the victim. (That's what makes knifes so dam dangerous from a LEO's perspective.)

 

You mean eating meat hunted with guns?

 

I always expose people who blame inanimate objects for people's actions.

 

as you noted

 

getting your silly comments thrashed though-priceless

 

You described an ambush.

That's neither here, nor there. I'd rather take my chances with a gun than without. That's my right.

 

In this instance? Attack, ambush, the word used is just semantics. You can be ''ambushed' by a surprise birthday party! Point is the manner in which these attacks were conducted required no complex planning or preparation, only the ability to take people by surprise after getting close enough to stab them. Which could happen to everyone at virtually any time - if they were extremely unlucky, like the victims of this crime.

As for your right to carry a firearm? That also is not the point. The point was that in this kind of scenario it's foolish to believe that the mere carrying of a weapon would have automatically protected anyone or ended these confrontations sooner. In fact it's highly unlikely given the way this specific scenario played out.

Could a firearm have helped? Possibly. But then it's possible to imagine a whole lot of other factors up to and including these murderers simply deciding to stop which would also have ended this tragedy sooner. The point is that 'carry a gun' is not the be all and end all of self defense scenarios. Hell its not even number one on the list!

 

So predictable....

And another one.....

 

I suppose you do it all the time?

 

Or we can just make guns illegal and no one will get shot anymore..... That's how we got everyone to stop doing drugs.

 

I love when people describe their own post...