Gavin Newsom signs bill to keep California's last nuclear energy plant open despite environmentalis

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  1. ricmortis

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    Imagine if they shut that plant down, California would have daily blackouts.
     
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    Only reason is because Putin's nonenviromental friendly gas isn't available, what does Germany do, charge their people more to go back and open a coal and oil fired plants. This is what happens when idiots are more woke than intelligent. Let's end our little country's energy sources and buy from the guys that are horrible for the environment and tyrants, then we can claim we ended coal and gas lol. Idiots
     
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    If you didn't know Germany started closing it's 84 coal fired plants in 2019, then I'm not even going to discuss with you.

    Fact:
    Germans paid 45billion to mitigate pain in coal regions, all for woke climate goals.
    German started shutting 84 coal plants down in 2019 and hailed it a great achievement.
    Germany instead of replacing their coal plants with 100% renewables, they started buying dirty Russia gas to offset.
    Germany purchased 66billion of Dirty Russian gas in the first two months of the Ukraine war, knowing they were going to get cut off and helping Putin fund his war.
    Germany is now refiring their coal and oil plants because they can't get dirty Russian gas.
    Germany has realized their goal of 100% renewables is a pipe dream away.
     
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    I am not sure who is feeding you information, but its not factual. They never ended coal (this has been pointed out to you several posters). Germany uses coal for about third of their energy needs, which makes it their largest single source. Natural gas is used for about 4%, and I have no clue where you got the idea that oil was ever a major source in Germany. The rest is covered with nuclear.

    Then DON'T. Their goal is to get rid of coal is by 2038, so you you are simply repeating something you read in InfoWars or Breitbart that they "got rid of coal".

    Have a nice day and feel free to believe anything you want.
     
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    Lol. Rolling blackout yesterday during peak demand.
     
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    Germany closed it's last coal mine down in 2018, and coal fired energy was making up 24% and dropping due to germany shutting down those 84 plants since 2019. They were using Russian dirty gas, which makes up 12% of their energy source. Now they are firing those coal fire plants back up because the dirty Russian gas is cutting them off. They bragged they were closing coal mines and shutting down coal plants and moving to renewables. The reality they had to purchase Russian dirty gas because renewables can't offset the shut down of coal plants. Now Russia says f you and they once again have to fire up the coal plants they shut down, all the while energy cost are up 105% for its citizens. This is what you call a massive green fail.
     
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    Without false premises, distortions and lies, what would the right wing EVER have?


    Clean Energy Projects Surge After Climate Bill Passage
    Investments in battery factories, solar panel manufacturing and mining will help the Biden administration meet targets for reducing greenhouse gases.

    ...But he added that the legislation could be a “catalyst for our domestic battery production.” And he said Toyota was working hard to fulfill provisions of the bill that encourage companies to get raw materials and components for batteries from the United States and its trade allies.

    At a time of economic uncertainty, the legislation gives companies more confidence that they can earn a return on their bets. The investments serve as affirmation of political leaders’ intent: to further accelerate America’s transition away from fossil fuels and to reduce dependence on foreign suppliers, especially those in China.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/07/business/energy-environment/clean-energy-climate-bill.html


    NO PAYWALL LINK
    https://archive.ph/ozTnF

     
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    Nope temporary bump in the road, mainly due to Putin's war of choice
     
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    How dare they ask not to charge peak hours of use right?

    Shift electricity use to lower-priced times of day

    Time-of-Use rate plans are based on how much energy you use and when you use it. By shifting some electricity usage to times when costs are less and demand is down, you can lower your bill and support a healthier environment.
    https://www.pge.com/en_US/residenti...s/time-of-use-base-plan/time-of-use-plan.page
     
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    ~ That's the plan. Newsom wants California to be tapped into the China power grid. Very dependable coal-fired power plants being built there every week ! :-|
     
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    There are precisely 3 fossil fuels: coal, natural gas, and crude oil. Coal & natural gas are used principally in power plants, and there are no viable green replacements for them (except nuclear, which I'm all for). Crude by itself is useless until it’s refined. From 1 barrel (47 gals) of refined crude, half is made into derivatives which impact virtually every aspect of modern daily life: plastics, tars, adhesives, asphalt, fertilizers, antibiotics, medical equipment (artificial heart valves, MRI scanners, prosthetics, hand sanitizers, etc). The remainder is used to make fuel, for both short range & long range infrastructure. Short range = cars & trucks. Long range = power plants, factories, planes, ships, spacecraft. We’ve made some inroads re: the short range equation. We can make batteries that will store enough energy to let you drive 200 miles or so. Doesn’t measure up to a gas vehicle, but it’s not bad. We’re NOWHERE on the long range issue. Bottom line: there is - at present - no viable green replacement for the benefits derived from fossil fuels. Your green fantasy is just that: a fantasy.

    It's only the healthy & wealthy countries that are trying to go green. Your liberal green fantasy requires exotic minerals like lithium & cobalt – the only way we’ve been able to make ev batteries, solar panels & wind turbines even marginally useful. The vast majority of those minerals are mined in Africa & China, who have zero regard for the people forced into the mines; including children are routinely indentured to feed your green narcissism. Your virtue signals are broadcast on the backs of exploited black, brown and yellow people that you never have, do not now, and never will give a rip about. You’ll happily bend over when Gavin Newsom decrees: don’t you dare cool your house below 78 degrees or charge your virtuous ev, because the deficiencies inherent in the exotic metals you insist we use make you feel so much better about yourself. Because it’s all about you.
     
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    ~ Co2 emissions should be of no concern — only to the oligarchy who want to dominate the populace with totalitarian policies.
    If governments were actually concerned about "clean" sustainable energy they would be pushing nuclear power.
    Governments depend on gradually dumbing-down and misleading society in order to pass their agenda — which is always less power/freedom for citizens and more authority and control by government. Covid-19 pandemic, climate catastrophe, Russia collusion, Ukraine, mass shootings are all recent examples of using fear and exaggeration as strategies for social engineering.
     
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    Nat gas is transitional to renewables

    Long range? How often do people go more than 200 miles (BTW, range is about 250 today)

    This week Freightliner, a Daimler brand, unveiled a new version of its electric Cascadia truck that goes 230 miles per charge, and last month Nikola began delivering its Tre BEV truck that gets up to 350 miles per charge

    Big Rigs Going Electric As Navistar, Cummins, Daimler Rev Up Next-Generation Trucks

    ...“The point of cost parity (of electric trucks), depending on the application, is much sooner than many think,” Mathias Carlbaum, president and CEO of Navistar, tells Forbes. “We see battery technology moving forward, really on the chemistry side, and all the capabilities of batteries that will be very unique and tailor-made for us moving forward.”
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanoh...ev-up-next-generation-trucks/?sh=10961fd4419d

    WE MIGHT HAVE TO DRAG CONSERVATIVES KICKING AND SCREAMING, BUT CHANGE IS COMING
     
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    Unfortunately relying on Mother Nature to cooperate is not very smart. The technology is not ready to handle heavy loads as we are seeing in California.
     
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    What the heck does that have to do with my post about Germany? As far as your post sounds almost as good as Solendra. Do tell us why mining for battery components is better for the environment? Where do we get those minerals foreign suppliers? Why can't the left admit that mining for cobalt or lithium is horrible for mother earth and takes advantage of the poorest countries in the world. Why can't the left admit that at this point our country and most others HAVE TO USE GAS AND FOSSIL FUELS to get that electricity to use that plug in. If you try to force things, you are not prepared for from an infrastructure standpoint you risk disaster as Europe is trying to avoid today.

    For some reason and reasonable conversations on how much using batteries, solar and wind are really saving mother earth seemingly can't be had with liberals? Is really mining for battery internals really cleaner than natural gas or oil? If more electricity is needed, then aren't those fossil fuel electric plants producing more of the very thing we're supposed to be reducing? Can we have a plan that turns things greener as the grid is updated in a greener manner instead of putting the chicken in front of the egg? is a 900-acre solar farm that services 140k homes really better for mother earth than a natural gas plant that services 1.4m?

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    I saw the unbearable grief inflicted on families by cobalt mining. I pray for change
    ~ Siddharth Kara

    When Raphael turned 15, he started digging tunnels at the cobalt mine where he worked – two years later he was dead
    .


    The Church Of Woke offers its thoughts and prayers to Raphael and all those like him. We are eternally grateful that he and all that other meaningless chattel sacrificed their insignificant lives upon the altar of our self-righteousness. Thank you, Raphael, et al, for enabling us to charge our $60,000 EVs except when Gavin Newsom tells us not to. We dropped 60k to feed our vanity, because our self-image is so much more important than your existence. You're just a 3rd world black kid, after all.

    Enough about Raphael what's-his-name. Waiter - where's my avocado toast!?
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    That cobalt mining is no joke. Many have died. We will never see the true death total by mining companies.
     
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    Rolling Blackouts will get a CA gov fired, and he is running for President and doesn't want more rolling blackouts on his resume.

    HOW IT STARTED: LA can be entirely powered by renewable energy in 25 years, study says.

    —ABC7, March 25th, 2021.

    How it’s going:

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    https://instapundit.com/541441/
     
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    No, that is not correct. There are 30 coal plants in Germany, and they provide a significant percentage of their energy needs. It would be very easy for you to just look up the facts, but you prefer to listen to biased media. I won't waste any more time with this,
     
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    Majority of California's energy comes from non-renewables (natural gas is by far the biggest course), and just FWI, fossil fuels are from "mother nature". Also, what's with Texas energy crises? Why can't they just burn more oil? The problem is not the source of the energy, the problem is how to handle sudden spikes in demand. We saw this in Texas winter, and now we are seeing it in Texas summer. It is what it is, and easily explainable by common sense, but simplistic thinkers will say "oh, look, they have a problem, it must be because they have a windmill".
     
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    Without false premises, distortions and lies, what would the right wing EVER have?

    Hint RECORD heat here in Cali, transmission line issues, like Texas last winter when over 400 people died

    World’s Largest—For Now—Battery Storage Project Online in California

    Project Will Provide 250 MW (About 40,000 homes) (Morocco has one that's 3,000,MW)
    Gateway Energy Storage is currently energized at 230 MW and is on track to reach 250 MW this month,

    Tesla Project Likely Will Be Larger

    https://www.powermag.com/worlds-largest-for-now-battery-storage-project-online-in-california/

    Apr 6, 2022 — Last Tuesday, total U.S. wind generation exceeded 2,000 GWh, making wind the second largest producer of electricity in the United States ...


    Total annual U.S. electricity generation from wind energy increased from about 6 billion kilowatthours (kWh) in 2000 to about 380 billion kWh in 2021. In 2021, wind turbines were the source of about 9.2% of total U.S. utility-scale electricity generation.

    Germany, a much smaller nation gets almost 25% with wind

    Offshore wind on track to hit, possibly exceed Biden’s 30 GW target by 2030
    https://www.utilitydive.com/news/offshore-wind-on-track-to-hit-possibly-exceed-bidens-30-gw-target-by-2030/619002/#:~:text=Two independent analyses completed this,established by the Biden administration.
     
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