New Power to the President, Declassify in Mind?

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  1. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

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    The President has inherent power over classification. The act of sharing it, declassified it.

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  2. Lucifer

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    And this is what MAGA desperation looks like.
     
  3. LangleyMan

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    I guess they protest for the hell of it.
    I outlined how to stop them.

    "As long as we don't have an effective e-verify system that prevents employers from hiring illegals, even as domestics or casual labor, we're going to have a revolving door.

    We could provide every American and individual with a legal right to work with a card like the Nexus Passwhere the government database contains your fingerprints and iris scan. We can update the database if the cardholder's status changes (visas end, citizens give up their citizenship). A simple reader can provide employers with certainty (and accountability) by checking the fingerprints against the database. Employers could call someone with a mobile checking unit if they don't have enough hiring volume to justify having their own reader. We could even provide the service free--it would save a bundle on playing catch-and-release with illegals.

    The card could double as other government ID like a driver's license or Social Security card.

    BTW, no one should hire an illegal, even as a domestic or day labor. Penalties should be a big fine to jail terms for repeat violations."​

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ou-ok-or-not-ok.603252/page-2#post-1073689796
    You jumped to a wrong conclusion.
     
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  4. LangleyMan

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    I doubt you ever had a security clearance.

    Trump is mocking everyone who has one and is serious about protecting our secrets.
     
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  6. Zorro

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    Fake News. He will never be charged with mishandling classified information because the DOJ will have the burden of proof that
    1. the documents were classified, and,
    2. that the documents were mishandled, and
    3. that the mishandling of classified documents was intentional.
    They'll never be able to carry the burden of proof, which means they will lose, and they would never live the loss down, therefore, I do not expect criminal charges which makes the entire exercise BORING!

    WE now have a Justice that can't tell men from women, though monkeys have no problem telling them apart.

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  7. Lucky1knows

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    I will tell you something that might surprise you but the amount of negative "data" that I have amassed on Trump over the past 5 years when I started debating politics is far more than what I have shown here up to now. If I was debating with someone that had an open mind to receiving data and facts, I would take my time and show it to you. Unfortunately, the blind bias that you have shown toward Trump means that if I took the time to show it to you, I would be wasting my time.

    I will also tell you that my main objective in life (other than to find love - which I have found and achieved), is obtaining knowledge. I have a high IQ and been an avid reader and researcher all my life. In addition, I have absolutely no bias toward anyone or anything (other than in the fight between good and evil, in which I have a definite bias toward good) and therefore my searching for knowledge was absolute (at least as far as absolute can be).

    You have made a major mistake when you state that "I thought we might have a new open minded, thinking member". How anyone can make such a statement without knowing the person for more than a few hours and not bothering to ask questions or researching the person suggests that it is you that is not open minded, not interested in knowledge, and totally biased toward people that don't automatically agree with you.

    In all our conversations, you have been making statements but not asking any questions. How anyone can gather knowledge by talking is beyond anyone's ability to understand. The key to obtaining knowledge is listening first, checking the information out for veracity, second and then replying with data and facts of your own.

    Anyhow, this is the last time I spend more than a few seconds in responding to any of your posts. I have nothing to learn from you or benefits in spending time trying.
     
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  8. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Are you implying that Biden didn't win legitimately?

    You do realize that the 8 million vote Biden got more than Trump could just as easily been anti-Trump votes.

    So your 'somehow' , and what it implies, has no merit, whatsoever.
     
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    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000183-625b-da48-a3e3-e2ff83050000

    the United States (DOJ) attached a declaration/affidavit from Alan E. Kohler, Jr. the Assistant Director of the Counterintelligence Division of the FBI That they were classified.

    This, to to the 11th Circuit of Appeals, was prima facie evidence. Proof beyond this isn't necessary because it's prima facie evidence and it's not for the courts to refute a declaration via sworn affidavit by the executive branch who are merely trying to complete a criminal investigation.

    As stated by the Appellate court, The onus is on the Plaintiff to prove they were declassified, in face of the prima facie evidence.

    Moreover, per the 11th Circuit court of Appeals:

    "Classification is a red herring".

    Why? Because declassification doesn't render the documents personal, they still belong to the government, and because a 793 criminal charge does not depend on classification, only DNI damage assessments.


    PRA dictates that national defense documents belong to the government. They were at Mar A Lago. That's default '793 unlawful retention'.
    In a meeting sometime in late 2021, Attorney Eric Herschmann warned Trump against keeping the documents.

    Given that he testified without issue to the Jan 6 committee, he is expected to testify to the DOJ on that point.

    The point is, if he was warned, and took the documents anyway, that's intent.
    I'll overlook your stooping to trafficking in cheap shots....

    Clearly, this is a slam dunk case for the DOJ.
     
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  10. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    Biden don't give a **** about anyone but himself and his cronies. Any "help" he gives is in the interest of himself...lol
     
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    So you expect charges to be filed and a conviction obtained. Please flag this post for future reference.
     
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  12. Lucky1knows

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    and your credentials to make these kinds of statements (tell the leading economists how wrong they are) are?

    I can give you my credentials:

    I was trained and worked for the two biggest stock investment firms in the U.S. in the 80'a (Merrill Lynch and Pru-Bache). I was in charge of over $500 million in funds from the investors in those companies.

    Since 2007, I have offered a service at a charge of $30 per month and not only do I still have a fair amount of the subscribers that signed up with me 15 years ago but have officially shown 12 profitable years and only 3 losing years during this time. Evidently, I must be doing something right as no one is going to pay over $5000 for a service without positive results.

    Now tell me your credentials.
     
  13. LangleyMan

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    Who says he'll be prosecuted? He's being exposed as irresponsible.
     
  14. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Obama took 30 million documents with him when he left the White House. Was that irresponsible?
     
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    BAHAHAHAHAHA! You are already spinning to incorporate my obviously correct assessment that there will be no conviction of Trump for deliberately mishandling classified information because they will NEVER carry the burden of proof making their claims that Melania had nuclear codes in her underwear drawer, a global laughing stock.

    They used these lies to justify an illicit raid on a political opponent to recover documentation of their illegal spying on Trump while he was a candidate and PRESIDENT of the United States.

    There will be a future GOP president with GOP control of both the House and Senate, and it won't be the 3 pussycats of TRUMP/MCCONNELL/RYAN and these lawless semi-fascist bastards will get theirs, then.
     
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    What facts might those be?

    Do any reputable news sources make the same claim?

    Libertyonenews.com domain is owned by proxy, a cloaked domain.

    they don't want us to know who owns it, and when that happens, they are not trust worthy.

    I think it is owned by Mike Adams, who ran the now defunct liberty.news a tin foil hat website.
     
  17. Lucky1knows

    Lucky1knows Well-Known Member

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    Data and facts don't support your "opinion".
     
  18. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    What "data" and "facts"?
     
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    Lucky1knows Well-Known Member

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    How Empathy Defines Joe Biden

    (By Forbes, which is a right leaning media outlet!)

    Biden’s empathy could reshape U.S. attitudes about gender and the White House

    The Affordable Care Act in the Biden Era: Identifying Federal Priorities for Administrative Action

    JOE BIDEN: LIFE BEFORE THE PRESIDENCY

    Let me know if you need more.

    Oh, and by the way. Show me what Trump has done for others without a benefit for himself.

    Here is one thing that clearly shows Trump does not care about others:

    Donald J. Trump Pays Court-Ordered $2 Million For Illegally Using Trump Charity Foundation Funds

     
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    Unfortunately, a high IQ and a lot of research does not mean you can use any of it well. If you aren't careful, it will tend to convince you nobody has anything to teach you.
    Wisdom is not the result of your IQ or your opinion. It is however a greater waste when a person has a high potential, but is unable to realize it.

    When you ask questions, you get the answers people want you to believe- unless they are genuinely true and honorable people. But when you watch what they do, assuming your have your own values in order- you learn how they think and who they are. It doesn't take a lot of time or close contact. People do show you who they are no matter how hard they work to conceal it.
    Ask any good psychologist. Regardless of what you claim to be- what you do is who you are. You define yourself. The fact most people are unable to read character well, see past the presented illusion allows many people to manipulate them, to obtain power or influence far beyond what they are worth; even imagine themselves to be the facade they want to project. This is true in personal relationships as well,, because those same people generally lack the ability to actually love others. All the vendetta minded people have long lists of evils they see in everybody they fear or hate. They need that to tell themselves they are righteous, it doesn't need to be legitimate. I wish you a better future, but I don't expect you will be finding it.
     
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    This was decided already in 2012 ... The 11th Circuit of Appeals seemed to miss that part...
    the judge ruled Clinton could keep any records he wants... so can Trump...
    The Judge ruled in 2012 that a president's discretion to declare records "personal" is far-reaching and mostly unchallengeable.
    video here
    https://justthenews.com/politics-po...-tapes-bill-clintons-sock-drawer-could-impact

    https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1560234754292813827

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    Does "power to the president declassify" apply to all? Does the Presidential Records act only apply to some presidents but not others?

    Did the 111th Circuit of Appeals address Biden sealing his records which contained classified document and what other things and putting them in The University of Delaware? Does a meeting with Putin that is sealed by Biden something of interest? What is Joe hiding?

    Biden had a meeting with Putin... that would be classified. .... but the kicker is... he sealing them because they may be takin out of context while he was running for public office.....fodder in a campaign .Bah, ha, ha, ha............Now that is real funny right there...
    Being Trump does not get to decide what "marked "classified he gets to keep but Biden gets to decide he can seal up his records between a world leader and him.......
    video here.... listen to it all... Joe is hiding something and it ain't just about Tara Reade
    https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/sta...ords-exist-on-meeting-with-putin-media-yawns/


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    The has been a significant consumption shift from in-person services to goods. It's abated to some degree, but hasn't gone back to pre-pandemic patterns. Restricted supply while government keeps stoking demand... inflation.
    Good luck getting through to people who think the First Amendment means their opinion on the market is as good as yours. No? Are you against free speech? :roll: :roll:
     
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    How many time have I said something about top economists ;) As for your resume, well I have been on the web far too long to even consider it as true. I have been so blessed over the last 28 years to have met literally every profession known to man LMFAO.. So, I'm not about to start believing everything I read, and change my position that what is written on the web is anything more than "HAPPENSTANCE" :roll:
     
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    Really, what's a Long time to you :shock:
     
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