Ukraine referendum

Clearly an evasive answer - but at least you answered, sort of.
Putin was asked about the army he was massing on the border - he said it's his business as it's within his own borders. But clearly he felt what Ukraine does is also HIS business.
Yes, pillage, rape, mass murder, shelling of towns... you name it.
I am sure calling up a million men to augment his stalled military campaign is a clear sign of war, don't you think?
Did you know Hitler didn't declare war on Russia? It was a special military campaign, called 'Operation Barbarossa.' I think about 20 million people died, thankfull though it was only an operation.

 

Yeah, sure. The Russians have been doing it for 8 years. What was their motive and how can it have been when the Ukie civvies state that the shells fired at them came from the west, not the east? Where do you get your MSM rubbish from? Channel 7, 9 10, ABC, SBS, the Daily Telegraph, The Sun, Herald?

 

The Economist says otherwise.

 

Send a link that states it then.

 

Do your own research. If you don't believe the Russians are monsters then you won't believe anything.

 

Oh he knows it....and understands it.....just chooses to look the other way....I'm sure he supports it.

 

Where from the West....?

Why wasn't Kharkiv,Odessa,Dnipro targeted?

 

Hahaha. More hollow and empty claims. "Do your own research", he says!! If the site stated it, then send a link to that statement. It's not that hard if your claim is factual, which I reckon it's not because you won't cite it. FALSE CLAIMS.

 

Let's see. If you've been following the bouncing ball, then where have been the most hit in recent times? Donetsk and Luhansk. What's to the west of them? Dnipropetrovsk and Kharkiv. This is where the shelling came from.
Why weren't Kharkiv,Dnipro targeted (the shelling came from)They aren't Russian. Historically Russian regions have been hit the hardest. As for Odesa, you have Moldova bordering that region. Did you know that? Of course, you didn't. Because you asked me the question. Keep going oomy. You're catching up and learning.

 

I get my info from all of these.
You obviously get yours from Adolf Putin as you are parroting his own words.

 

HAHAHA. But of course. You get second-hand made-up rubbish, conjecture, speculation, lies, and twisted narratives. At least I get it straight from him (as you claim)and not some made-up fantasy MSM bullshit. Yep, you said.

 

I have no idea what the "site" says. You do know that "The Economist" is a magazine don''t you? Actual printed pages.

 

You did claim,

Do you remember now? So cite it, if it "says otherwise". C'mon, cough it up.

 

You are part correct, at least when it comes to social media. Youtube is full of videos about Russian tanks blowing up, Russian planes shot down etc.. But of course Ukrainian ones get blown or shot too - but you hardly see that. What IS significant are those sites which give you daily maps of the front line. Also, talks with military analysts or people who have skin in the game, economists, former generals etc.. Their take isn't the whole story, but you can stitch it together - the sanctions are slower than thought and the Ukrains took back land faster than thought.
But your Daily Putin is giving you almost no idea whatsoever of what is going on - just a Ukraine tank blowing up or a Ukraine plane shot down....

 

Sounds similar to my reality, except for the Russian tanks blowing up part.

 

@Poohbear
Just a little something about little ol' MSM.

https://stopworldcontrol.com/media/
https://www.sott.net/article/393832...nemy-of-the-people?ysclid=l80rq2brdi487628543
https://www.mediavsreality.com/mediavsreality2/2019/9/2/the-brutal-truth-about-the-mainstream-media
https://strategic-culture.org/news/...uscates-war-crimes/?ysclid=l80rm8cnq526933105
https://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article55311.html
https://themillenniumreport.com/201...-mainstream-media-with-operation-mockingbird/

See, the thing is Whinnie, MSM is biased and scripted. If they weren't, don't you think they'd cover both sides of any conflict without prejudice, just the facts right?
But they don't. Can you guess what team they play for? The globalist elite, the ones that orchestrate many a rock show for us all.

 

ALL media is biased. That's not the issue. It's the DEGREE OF BIAS that is the issue.
I put it to you that ANY state sanctioned Putin-media is soley there to serve Putin.
Western media often act as cheer-leaders to Ukaine, but their level of bias is significantly less than Putin's censored media. Coming next for Russia - an internet firewall similar to China's. Russis has been looking at this for quite a while.

 

All western MSM is part of the agenda. The degree of the bias is heavily overbalanced toward the bullshit meter. As they don't cover both sides squarely and evenly. They will all the time state the crimes that Russia have not done, but spin it as if they have. Also not reporting on what else goes on. The nazis, the atrocities that the Ukie military do to their own. Play it however you want, it still plays the same tune. MSM is in favour of not telling the full story and twisting narratives to sway your perception of the situation.

Take our perceptions. You follow MSM and take look at your view on the event. Then you can take a look at my perspective which is strongly contrasted against yours as I don't follow MSM. On the contrary, MSM is the censored news. They tell us sweet FA, in terms of detail and accuracy and heavy on the bias.

 

Maybe you should catch up. They're digital too.
https://www.economist.com/

 

Well...at least you are admitting it now and we can drop the Nazi bullshit. This was always a weak attempt at a land grab.

All this land grab has done was make a promise or deal by Russia worth nothing.

 

So what hasn't Western media not covered with Russia?
I just read that over a dozen Russian oligarchs have mysteriously turned up dead - that news is not in Russian news. Why not?

 

Good. You're way ahead of me. So you look it up.

 

....are you serious,timester....shelling came from all the way from Dnipro?????.....hahahahaha, you really stepped in $hit here....you have some video links of this?....BS?....Dnipro is hundreds of Kms from Donetsk.......that's some powerful artillery Ukies have to fire that distance....unless some cruise missiles....please show if you can....hahaha.

"They aren't Russian"??....no $hit Crocodile Dundee....you're learning finally!

"Historically Russian regions have been hit the hardest".....hahahahaha.....lay off the bong, timester....maybe I'll start calling you the "Donk" from Crocodile (Mick) Dundee....

 

Learn something. The Bolsheviks coerced Lenin into giving the lands that now hold the referendums. All Putin is doing is getting back what Lenin gave away.

You too can get an education.

https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/ukraine-lenin-putin/

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The land isn't "rightfully" Russia's. The terrority was agreed upon in 1991. That's what Russia agreed too. But then Russia's mind can now change regardless of promises made or agreements signed so **** em. I hope they enjoy the freedom missles your tax paying dollars are helping to fund!