Political Bullshit Receptivity and its Correlates: A Cross-Country Validation of the Concept

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  1. ShadowX

    ShadowX Well-Known Member

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    See unlike this “independent” here. I’m happy to tell you how I’m voting in the upcoming election and it’s not straight Republican in fact. We can go down all the candidates in my state of NC and I’m happy to tell you.

    But see he doesn’t want to do that because he knows either he will have to lie about who he’s voting for or he will have to prove me right.
     
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    I couldn't possibly care less.

    I already told you what I am doing this Nov, so now you are just adding more lies on top of the existing ones.

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    Worthy entry for dopiest statement of year in opening post.
     
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  4. ShadowX

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    Blah blah blah what state are you voting in? Or if you’re scared I’m trying to find you or something, we can just pick one and you can tell me who you would vote for.
     
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    The bible isn't very good at defining morality. The closest it comes to a good definition is the golden rule . . . which predates it, doesn't require religion (any religion, much less Christianity), and which it frequently contradicts. We're better off tossing the Bible in the rubbish heap and just going with better guidelines, like the golden rule.
     
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    Conservatives’ susceptibility to political misperceptions

    RESULTS

    Consistent with other studies, we find that American conservatives are more likely than liberals to hold misperceptions. Visual inspection suggests stark ideological differences. Conservatives tend to claim more falsehoods are true

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abf1234


    Fear and Anxiety Drive Conservatives' Political Attitudes

    1. Conservatives tend to focus on the negative.
    2. Conservatives have a stronger physiological response to threats.
    3. Conservatives fear new experiences.
    4. Conservatives’ brains are more reactive to fear.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...xiety-drive-conservatives-political-attitudes
     
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    Psychological Predispositions


    In addition to deficit and motivated reasoning approaches, the third set of explanations for why some people believe fake news focuses on underlying psychological predispositions. The notion of ideological asymmetry in disinformation belief, according to which conservatives are more likely than liberals to believe fake news (e.g., Guess et al., 2018; Hjorth and Adler-Nissen, 2019), has its roots in this type of explanation. However, exactly, which psychological predispositions could underlie such asymmetry has not been established.

    ...Conservatism is closely associated with social dominance orientation (SDO) and right-wing authoritarianism (RWA) (Duriez and Van Hiel, 2002), and this could help explain the above mentioned differences between conservatives and liberals in engagement with fake news (e.g., Haidt, 2013; Jost, 2017). SDO is a preference for group-based social hierarchy and support for inequality between social groups (Sidanius and Pratto, 2001). Higher SDO has been associated with greater in-group favoritism and in-group bias (Sidanius et al., 1994). RWA is, in turn, defined by the traits of authoritarian submission, endorsement of traditional social norms and conventions (Altemeyer, 1981). Authoritarians are motivated both to preserve traditions and ingroup norms (Duriez and Van Hiel, 2002) and to punish groups that are perceived to threaten the norms and rules of the ingroup (e.g., Hadarics and Kende, 2018).

    Conservatism, RWA and SDO have all been shown to serve system-justifying functions (Jost and Hunyady, 2005). SJB include the inclination to rationalize and justify the current status quo and to perceive the system as reasonable, beneficial and fair (Jost and Banaji, 1994).
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8740309/

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    The Code of Hammurabi
    https://www.history.com/topics/anci...code of laws,and finally rediscovered in 1901.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi
    The U.S. Supreme Court building features Hammurabi on the marble carvings of historic lawgivers that lines the south wall of the courtroom.

    https://www.worldhistory.org/Code_of_Hammurabi/
    The laws address business contracts and proper prices for goods as well as family and criminal law.

    These are the basis of our laws there that even predate the 10 Commandments. Ironically the 10 Commandments have only 4 that can be used as law.
     
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    I live in Florida, but I already told you I won't bother voting. Why you cannot comprehend simple language fact is beyond me. My voting record is more or less 75% conservative, but it is not my duty to prove anything to you, it is YOUR duty to back up your claims.

    Its not my problem that you:

    1. Are a slanderer / liar
    2. Cannot comprehend simple language
    3. Make all your posts about other posters and have nothing to say about the topic

    God hates a false witness.

    Say hi to the others when you hit the bottom of my ignore list.

    Some people........
     
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    A few historical facts to consider:
    • There were two wings to the Nazi party: the socialist wing and the volkish wing. The Strasser brothers were the leaders of the former and Hitler was the leader of the latter.
    • Of the 25 points of the Nazi platform, only one was explicitly about socialism . . . and it was the one that Hitler opposed.
    • Hitler and one of the Strassers had party debates on this very issue, with Hitler welcoming the further privatization of German industry (hint: that's the opposite of socialism), and the socialists wanting more privatization.
    • After Hitler took over, Germany privatized industry far more aggressively than even western capitalist countries did (again, this is the opposite of socialism).
    • Those socialist leaders in the party? The Strassers? Yeah, Hitler had one of of them killed and the other exiled from the country.
    • Hitler outlawed organized labor . . . again, about as far from socialism as you can get.
    • Hitler outlawed not only communism but also the party of the social democrats.
     
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    I’ve been to drive-in movies with less projection than this post !

    WOW
     
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    75% Conservative is the last thing anyone would believe from your posting history. You would have very little Issue with Desantis if that were true. You've consistently sided with CA and NYC policy the past few years, so not buying it.
     
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    Lol careful on your high horse there it might be shorter than you’re willing to admit. But the fall still hurts.

    Florida eh? So you’re not bothering to vote. That’s cool if you were voting we can start with the Governor. Who would you vote for?
     
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    Deleted wrong quote
     
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    Only one huh? I beg to differ. First off I LOVE how you qualified the statement by saying EXPLICIT. However that won’t save you.

    7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.

    10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all

    13. We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

    14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

    15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

    16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalisation of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

    17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, the abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.

    18. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, Schieber and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.

    Sounds a hell of a lot like the democrat platform to me.
     
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    You didn't address literally anything of what you just quoted . . . and you are already moving on to something else? Cute.

    What does any of this have to do with the Code of Hammurabi that you quoted?
     
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    I meant to quote you. As I said. Wrong quote.

    So since you’re here you can answer my post to you.
     
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    On point 13, that's the explicitly socialist one. And it's the one Hitler opposed. And, no, this doesn't really look like the Dem platform. Show some respect for history.
     
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    Every single one of those is socialist. In fact almost every single one of them derive explicitly from Marx so they’re close to communism but socialism and communism are of the same ilk.
     
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    Not really, especially to those of us who have actually read Marx . . . who Hitler hated. Care to explain why Hitler went to war with the actual socialists in his party?
     
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    That's cool. According to reality and everyday real life, left-wing individuals fall for political bullshit. There's no "most likely" to it, it's so common there doesn't have to be a thread made about it because we all see it.
     
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    I can't have a conversation with a right winger these days without getting into bat **** insane conspiracy theories. At all. I can do so with a leftist. The same has held for several years now.

    A few examples just based on conversations with my own ****ing family:

    * Obama was born in Kenya
    * Jade Helm
    * The election was stolen from Trump
    * Biden/Obama/etc. has weaponized the DOJ against Trump
    * School shootings = false flags
    * Leftists faked the Jan 6 riots
    * Leftists faked literally EVERY instance of rightwing terrorism in recent years
    * Bill Barr and other lifelong republicans, including Barr and other Trump appointees, are part of a secret Deep State cabal to undermine Trump
    * COVID is fake
     
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    And left-wingers fall for it while they point their fingers at us. That's what makes threads like this so enjoyable.
     
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    Because he was a power hungry psychopath who wanted to be a dictator. Which is the PRIMARY and fundamental problem with socialism and communism. It facilitates an environment where EVENTUALLY someone who is power hungry and evil can put themselves in a position of power and then use the system which has been set up to oppress his people. That’s why essentially every single communist state has resulted in a brutal dictator and socialist states ROUTINELY devolve into a loss of individual freedoms for its people.

    By the way I’ve read the communist manifesto. I’ve also read Lenin where he argues that socialism is nothing more than a transitional phase into communism because you can’t move people from an individualized system like capitalism directly into communism. They have to be eased into it first with socialism. Then when enough time has passes and you’ve brainwashed them sufficiently to where they believe the collective is more important than the individual then you can move them to communism. And even then you have to murder millions of people to do it.
     
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    Your deflection validates Shadow's assertion.
     
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