Needles, Syringes, Feces, Bodies on our Streets

Are you serious...?! Been to Colorado lately? The overnight low temperature in Denver last night was 7 degrees, but there's NO shortage of homeless bums' tent camp-communities in our wonderful Democrat-ruled capital city.

 

Being homeless has been criminalized only in one State. Here in FL, its legal to be homeless. You have to be careful driving, because they wonder all over the roadways and you might hit them. Every year they come and bulldoze the park in downtown Ft Lauderdale because the trash, feces, syringes etc pile up, and then the homeless return and take over the park again.

Jacksonville


Gainsville


Ft Lauderdale


Miami

 

Your point is well-taken, Pro, and as the images you've provided show, the situation is just horrible!

Truly, though, I think that "homelessness", per se, is not something that should be made illegal. As free American citizens, we should have the right to buy housing, rent or lease it, or simply have no home or residence at all. BUT... no one should be allowed to break any laws... and that's the real problem, as I'm certain you in Florida (and most of the rest of us know all too well).

Here in the West, in addition to the ubiquitous problems of homeless bums crapping, pissing, and otherwise fouling everything they touch, spreading diseases, committing a wide variety of crimes, and starting illegal fires that frequently get out of control (an especially BIG problem in drought-afflicted areas), we see that local laws forbidding all of this dangerous idiocy cannot be enforced as intended because of legal actions and obstructions brought on by 'homeless advocacy groups', hyperliberal pro bono lawyers, liberal judges, liberal city council members, etc.

The result? We blow millions of dollars on 'programs', and 'services' that do almost nothing but guarantee that we'll have yet MORE homelessness squalor. They flock anywhere there's free food and other handouts -- plus -- to make matters worse, in places like here in Colorado, we have not only made marijuana legal, but now we have also legalized the 'fun' psychedelic drug PSILOCYBIN. And no matter how 'broke' these homeless bums always are, they manage to come up with enough money to buy their amusements....

 

I agree. Homelessness should be legal. But just as for the rest of us, the exercise of that right must be within the broader laws. IOW buy your own land on live on it without benefit of fixed shelter. Otherwise just go about your business, and don't sleep anywhere you're not allowed to sleep. Like urban and suburban streets, or anywhere camping is not allowed.

 

Let's get real, fellow conservatives. The problem is the mentally ill who can't do anything productive. They are on a street corner howling at the moon and terrifying passersby and excreting on the sidewalk. No employer will employ them.

What do we do with them?

 

I have no issue with someone hiking into the wilderness and living off the land, but not setting up tents on city sidewalks, that is just getting crazy

 

oh I agree, homelessness should not be illegal, setting up tents long term on sidewalks and streets should be though

same with defecating and urinating in public

if someone needs to live in their car, fine, but do it responsibly

 

I'm also in favour of wilderness living .. as long as it IS living off the land (including a shelter built from natural materials). Under no circumstances should it be nylon tents, fast food containers, and trash. If it looks like this, I'm all for it:



OTOH if it looks like this ... it should be as illegal as street sleeping:

 

if they are in the wilderness, fine, they can even use tents, but they can not make a mess like in the bottom picture

the street tent camping is what is upsetting most people

 

I also have no issues with RV living, but if you do this in front of someones property, confiscate the rv and impound it

 

They can not, but they do anyway. So what would you do with those who do?

 

arrest them, offer them treatment or jail, their choice

exactly, and that is why it's a problem that needs to be addressed, if they acted responsibly, it would not be an issue

 

Perhaps a well camoflauged tent would be okay .. again, as long as they're living off the land and keeping the area pristine. They should not be able to interfere with waterways (washing, bathing, toileting etc), nor bring in non-biodregrable materials like plastics, nor light open fires.

 

Right, as would I.

That doesn't get then into housing, however. The jails can't accommodate all of them indefinitely. We can build more jails, I guess.

If I were King, I would create work camps, and they'd be far from a city center. They would be hellscapes, of course,but they are creating hellscapes as it is. At least my work camps would have soup kitchens.

 

Make it illegal, obviously.

 

Exactly, same rules as if you or I went hiking or camping, they should not be exempt from the rules

 

Sure, but they aren't going to comply. So I repeat, what will you do with them?

 

same thing would do to anyone else breaking the law.. Arrest them, jail them, if they look like they need treatment, offer it

if we break the law, no one says what should we do if he\she doesn't comply

 

had we arrested people getting out of hand from the get go, it never would have got this bad

yes, it will be hard at first, maybe offer some of them a bus ticket to anywhere

if we could find voluntary labor camps for them, with food and housing, sure, do that (drug free, away from society, too close and they fall back to their old ways)

they could live there as long as they want, save up money and try again to enter society when they are ready

 

Many of the people you see on the streets have already been arrested for one thing or the other. Unless you lock them up permanently, they'll go right back to the street after they serve their 3 days for vagrancy or whatever. And honestly, that's the only solution. Something like a U.N. tent city for refugees.

Surrounded by barbed wire.

See, there are only 12,000 jail beds in L.A. county. And over 60,000 homeless.

If you put all the vagrancy offenders in jail, there's no room for the killers and rapists.

 

that is fine, as long as they commit crimes, keep locking them up

offer some bus tickets out of town when released

 

Well, we disagree. Jails are expensive to run. Refugee camps, less so. And as mentioned, there aren't enough jail cells.

 

they are, but this issue is not cheap either and is harming society and is causing toxic situations

can't ignore crime cause they are homeless

I think if offered, many would take a treatment approach, maybe a labor farm where they can work and get paid, housing and food and learn skills to survive in society

like I said, some are hopeless and need assisted living, but many are drug or alchol releated too

I know during that bout of the legal butterfly attractant where people would take off their cloths and eat people, I think some peoples brains were fried by that and will never be normal again (edit:they were called bath salts)

 

What do you do now, with people who break laws? Why would the action be any different?

Or do you think homeless addicts should be exempt from the rules you and I are civil enough to live within? If you DO think that, what on earth makes you want to advantage the very people who give the middle finger to rules .. while actively disadvantaging those who don't?

 

I think the issue some see with this is we can't arrest everyone all at once.... so, arrest as many as you can, over and over and over... people will get the message