Let's terminate the Constitution!!

Yup…ignore the fact of what Trump said about terminating all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”
I like it when people like you keep arguing a losing point.

 

Democrats go against the constitution everyday. Just because they don’t come out and say it like trump done doesn’t mean they don’t do it. Biden also tried to do it by executive fiat

 

Well my point is that the subject line of this thread and the Politico article headline in the OP is fake news. So I'm factually correct.

 

Here’s your participation

 

looked like he supports fascism it seems, anything to get his way

 

If you provide me with a rock-hard example, then I will consider your words.

But just because you disagree with HOW someone interprets the Constitution doesn't mean that that person is going AGAINST said Constitution.

Also, can you show me a single Democrat who has ever proclaimed that we should terminate the Constitution???? Cuz that is some serious fascist crap, right there

 

Why is a health Mandate unconstitutional?

 

Why would Biden say it was?

 

The Hot Air critique is scathing:



Eeeeeek!

 

The key word is, if.
This whole charade for the last 2yrs is based on lies

 

It is fact that the fraud claim itself is a lie.
So any action he and you want, are based upon said lie.

 

I don't like the 2 party system. So maybe this will end or weaken them?

Nah, wishful thinking.

 

Hope abounds!

 

the msm loves trump. he sells ads.

it is not exactly as if the baseless accusations of "fraud" have not been broadcast, continuously, for 2 full years. trump has never had a problem finding a microphone.

 

Indeed

 

Boy, that political coward Tom "Ichabod Crane" Cotton is sure "brave" pandering to a bunch of kooks.

 

Accusations of fraud being reported on is not exactly investigating the evidence upon which the accusations are based.

 

Should Trump be President in 2024 there probably won't be elections in 2028, or there will be but he will have repealed term limits and still be running, with the MAGA NG counting the ballots.

 

Lol.... Is that the official excuse now?
A DINO ? Lolol.

David Duke was just returning to his Democrat roots.

 

LOL.

You can call it whatever you want to call it. I fully support your right to enjoy as many illogical fantasies as you wish. Why, it's the MAGA way!!!

 

That is the view of pundits on the Left. But it is pretty obvious, from his actions, that DeSantis intends to run; and Rupert Murdoch's News Empire has already proclaimed him as De-Future. He is not going to hop off of that rocket and say, "no thanks-- I'll wait for the next one."

 

I will wait for DeSantis to declare before factoring in his impact on Trump. I am just not convince. The fact that Rupert Murdoch's News Empire proclaims DeSantis the future is of minor consequence. Many times the conservative higher ups have abandoned Trump and it makes little difference. Look at Barr, McMaster, Cohen, Kelly, etc... They all worked for Trump and were huge supporters and now have spoken out and opposed him but it makes little to no difference because the Trump base does not leave him. Conservatives that had issues with the crazy things Trump says and did have left him long ago. It is not like this is the craziest thing he has ever said. Look at all the people on this forum already defending his statements. They are in it for the long haul. Until people like Tucker or Hannity start abandoning Trump I think he has little to worry about. Those two have a much better read on the pulse of the Trump base than Rupert Murdoch or some news empire execs. I have learned a long time ago you cannot apply logic and reason to Trump and his followers. They defy logic because their loyalty borderlines on cult.

 

I don't disagree whatsoever, when it comes to Trump's base; but that is not the same as the whole of the Republican Party. Previously, this discrimination was of little consequence, but that will not be the case, when someone else is there, for Republicans to support. Trump has 30% of that Party in his pocket, but that doesn't assure him of the nomination.

The second point, is that the support of Fox News, cannot be equated with Bill Barr, and the other individuals, who you cite. Fox does exert a powerful influence, on Republican opinions, don't you think? More so than Bill Barr? Where you do have an argument, is in Tucker Carlson, Fox's most popular host, not being subject to Murdoch's general orders. So this sets up an interesting split, within Fox, itself. Then, there is the possibility-- even if it seems illogical, to me-- that Murdoch reverses course, and supports Trump, once more.

In the end, however, I don't see how Trump gets any higher than the losing candidate, in the Presidential election.

 

I think we are mostly in agreement on this. As you say Trump firmly has 30% maybe 35% of the MAGA diehards with him. They are with him to the end. This group will not abandon him. Then I would suggest you have a number of around 50-60% who are republican with varying degrees of support for Trump. Some may support him throughout, some may just hold their nose and vote for him in a general but regardless they are not voting democrat or someone else. Finally you have the 10-15% of the never Trumpers or people that voted for Trump in the past and will not vote for him again. Some will not vote, some will vote third party and some may even vote democrat. Those people were either never with him from the beginning or left him long ago. I don't see new people joining this group. If you thought Trump says crazy or stupid things then you abandoned him long ago. If you don't support his moral stance or the way he focuses solely on himself then you are not just now changing your mind.

I think Rupert Murdoch and the Fox News exec are much more similar to Bill Barr and the others I named than the Trump MAGA masses. I work in financial services and know many C grade execs and VPs that are republican. I used to talk with a CEO that hated Obama with a passion. None of them like Trump and some cite personal experiences with him. Many voted for him, at least in 2016 but they are not fans of Trump or MAGA die hards. The problem is those are your Bill Barrs, your Lincoln project conservatives, your so called RINOs. Corporate, elite conservatives are not what makes Trump. The reason why I point to people like Tucker or Hannity is those guys make their money and their audience is composed largely of the Trump base. The CEO of Goldman Sachs is not watching Tucker. When Tucker and Hannity switch over to DeSantis or some other challenger then I think you will know the tide has changed. Until them I view Trump as the incumbent and I only expect challengers like Cheney and Christie.

Answer me this. I think Tucker is a very intelligent guy. Do you believe he thinks Trump lost the election due to election fraud? I don't watch Tucker but my guess is he would never state his opinion about election fraud on his show beyond saying something generic like election fraud exist. I am going into this blind because I never watched him so someone can easily prove me wrong. This is like when he would not answer the question of whether he took a covid vaccine. Tucker knows his audience and is more in touch with the pulse of the MAGA base then any Fox News exec.

I agree that currently it looks unlikely that Trump can win a general but never say never. His problem IMO is not with republicans. He has probably turned out more disenfranchised MAGA supporters than he has lost republicans. His problem is he has alienated independents.

 

Why should it? The premise of the article is blatantly false. Biden knows no such thing and no doubt has consulted with scholars on the subject.(as have I, been studying the subject for years. I'm pro vax, but some vaxes I won't get, like the flu vax, which, for people of my age, it's useless, but the more salient point is, I haven't had the flu in forty years, and I drove a cab in my youth for 10 years, having been exposed to all sorts of sick people, mostly elderly and taking people to doctors, I just don't get the flu so I don't see a need for that vax. I did get 3 covid shots, no problem. I friend of mine died because of covid, and it was before the vax was available. Had the vax been available, he would have gotten it and would probably be alive, today).

There is no one size fits all on this subject. Some mandates might be unconstitutional, but many are not, especially the pandemic vaccines because the government has a greater responsibility to the health of the nation and the efficacy stats are very good for the vaccine.

Sure, there are exceptions, if a person is allergic to any of the ingredients or the vax itself. Some states have a religious exemption, but a number of states do not recognize it for public schools.

We've had mandated vaccines in schools and the military for years.

So, I don't know what the article says, but the premise is false.

Note that mandates are not considered 'force' given that they offer a choice. Force would be if it were illegal to refuse a vax, and that would be unconstitutional.

This is discussed by several law professors at great length, here

https://constitutioncenter.org/news-debate/podcasts/are-vaccine-mandates-constitutional