Waiting for Superbatteries They are still a long way from matching the energy density of liquid fue

some of them Don't last 5 years so I will believe it when I see it.

it's a good comparison and that it's the same kind of battery. just because you pay more money for something doesn't mean it's higher quality.

and I seriously doubt anyone will go to the hassle of taking these things apart to refurbish them visit replacing the battery as it would be cost prohibitive.

I would say that's true even against used EVs

that's Tesla. We aren't talking about the BMW i3 and that dreadful little **** box GM made. Or a Nissan leaf these are the regular man's car Tessa is like a Mercedes.

I bet you have to pay people to take this trash off your hands. a lot of electric vehicles are in high demand because of the novelty. And with Ford it's the scarcity.

I'm predicting a crash when the novelty wears off. When people realize how horrible they are and how substandard they are compared to even a used gas powered equivalent it will be over.

Tesla brought with it the Elon musk vision of the future. Confusing really well liked right now and that might not be changing anytime soon by the people that buy these things I'm not sure it'll pan out quite the way you want it to.

Also car manufacturers like Ford and Mercedes and Volkswagen and GM they aren't Tesla they are trying to wow their customer anymore I'm just trying to dupe them into buying something new

 

Well, you came here, didn't you?

Your posts have shown an interest in the US car market.

 

Firstly what makes you think that an older ICE car is significantly more likely to catch fire than a new one? Most car fires are due to electrical problems not fuel leaks. Older cars have less electrical components than newer cars. And also you haven't explained away the 100 times greater rate of ICE fires compared to EVs. Carrying fuel is a greater risk than EV batteries

 

They aren't just affected by a hurricane. They are affected by being drowned out.

Yes, the Chevy Bold and some others have been around for a while, but the EV market is pretty new.

 

It is worth repeating that many households have two cars, one that's a local runabout and one for longer travel, a highway cruiser. The EV is plausible in the former role; it is unsuitable for the latter.

 

The example I cited was in the aftermath of a hurricane.

 

this isn't new technology electric vehicles have been around since 1840.

capitalism places value on merit. The only merit electric cars have right now is novelty once that wears off it's over.

the fewer moving parts thing not being related to maintenance as a gimmick.

There is absolutely going to be maintenance and repairs on electric cars it's probably going to be worse because let's think about the people who are making them.

I worked as a mechanic and I did a lot of repair work on internal combustion cars it was most likely driver controls brakes electronics that had problems all stuff electric cars have. But because they don't have any requirements for OBD2 ports you're probably not going to know what's wrong with it.

Yeah they are cheap to replace let's say you have a truck from 2005 and differential goes out you can then go buy another truck from 2005 far cheaper and replace the whole thing.

I've had issues happen with vehicles I've driven and I had to replace the vehicle.

 

I think there's a diminishing return on it too in that role.

 

I have many reservations about the feasibility of EV cars but the safety of batteries is not one of them

 

As you wish.

 

I don't believe that's a good enough excuse.

Ford has had to stop taking orders for the Ford Lightening. There is evidence that right now you couldn't get one before 2024 if you don't have an order in.

If it was fear of future CAFE standards that caused them to enter the market, I'd say that's just a sign of the company being unaware of what consumers want.

 

more wear and tear.

yes but they still have a massive amount of electrical components. OBD2 vehicles started in 1996.

Well there are lies there are damn lies and then there are statistics I asked you about a detailed regarding the statistics and you can't answer it so these numbers are published just to mess with people like you.

Once the bunking of it is the 500:1 internal combustion engine car to electric car ratio. I'm bidding there are more accidents involving such vehicles too is because there are more of them.

 

Nope. Demand for EV's has had to be created by intensive advertising. Take that away and sales would rapidly approach zero.

 

Yes, the EVs of today don't answer the needs of everyone.

Plus, not everyone can charge an EV where they live, meaning that they have to depend on their workplace or take trips to some charging station, which are too rare yet.

 

Are you in a dream world. You asked me no such thing. And they weren't my stats! They come from your "side" and where did you get the 500:1 ratio.

 

Why bother?

The Mirage of Electric Vehicles
Willis Eschenbach
Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

For those who think that electric vehicles make a difference … think again.

The Department of Energy’s Argonne National Lab has just released a study showing that in 2021, US privately-owned plugin hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) and electric vehicles (EVs) “saved about 690 million gallons of gasoline.”

But that is a huge exaggeration because fossil fuels provide 61% of the electricity in the US … so only about a third of that apparent savings is a real reduction in fossil fuel use, the equivalent of maybe 130 million gallons.

The Argonne report also says that from 2010 to 2021, EVs have saved 2.1 billion gallons of gas. So let’s be generous and say that in 11 years, EVs have saved about a third of that, the equivalent of about 750 million gallons of gas.

Now that sure sounds like a lot of gasoline, three-quarters of a billion gallons.

However, as always, a sense of perspective is required. The US uses about 370 million gallons of gas per day … so that’s only about two days’ worth of gas.

I say again. Over the last eleven years, electric vehicles in the US have saved Two. Days. Worth. Of. Gasoline.

Hmmm …

And how much has that cost?

Direct taxpayer subsidies for EVs have cost you and me $10 billion dollars to date, and we’re on the hook for more. The government just extended the EV subsidy until 2032 and removed the cap on the number of vehicles eligible for the subsidy.

It gets worse. The US government also just approved spending an additional $7.5 billion of taxpayer money on EV charging stations.

So to date, we’re spending TWENTY-THREE DOLLARS for each gallon of gasoline saved … economic suicide.

Who is benefitting from this lunatic waste of taxpayer money? The richest 20% of the US population, of course. Surely you don’t think the actions of the climate activists would benefit the poor? . . .

 

Oh, good lord.

ICE cars have MASSIVE advertising campaigns, and always have had.

Tesla doesn't advertise.

 

Ford, GM, et al are regularly flogging their EV's on TV.

 

It's also caused by government interference. They're trying to make laws banning the competition that's the only way you get people to buy this trash. Destroy completely the free market.

In 2018 Ford sold over a million f-150s. They've only sold 2,800 lightnings. They haven't even finished building them all yet. These will have little value in the coming years because they are dreadful. Nice sold 23,000 mustang Mack Es

That's utterly dismal performance for a crossover.

The lithium ion battery is the only reason these things aren't a complete and total joke like they were all through the 60s 70s 80s 90s and 2000s.

I remember GM made an electric car that you put on sale years back and they wouldn't let you buy it you had to lease it and he took them all back and destroyed them all.

GM also resurrected a terrible brand that had utterly dismal sales to create an electric truck they're not risking Denali on it. Just waste of space Hummer.

 

I don't have a way that I want it to "pan out".

But, I do believe that moving away from burning fossil fuel in our cities will give returns in healthcare cost reduction. Plus, it would be nice to be free of smog, just from an aesthetics point of view. Also, reducing our dependence on oil seems like a serious improvement - 2/3 of our oil consumption goes to transportation! We CAN stop being so dependent on the world market for oil!

Overall, EVs are in great demand. And, EV manufacturers aren't doing much advertising to achieve that. The advertising dollars are spent promoting gas and diesel vehicles.

Capitalism WILL solve the details like price, features, etc.

 

and you probably don't know much about them what's considered a vehicle fire the age of the vehicles burning what caused the fires and so forth.

It makes sense that when you have a type of vehicle that represents 99.9% of vehicles there will be more fires with them.

There are lies there are damn lies and then there are statistics. That's why stats aren't arguments

Let's think for a minute how many electric cars has Tesla made 3 million or so. How many electric cars has Ford made about 25,000. Tesla made $3 million and let's save all the other car manufacturers together made $3 million so that's 6 million cars worldwide.

There are more cards than that in my city and let's not forget construction equipment 18 wheelers delivery vans those are all ICE vehicles. I thought my estimation was generous.

 

Lol what are you going on about now!

 

yes you do that's why you keep saying this electric cars are the future nonsense you want that to be the case.

but we won't be because that's a pipe dream.

then you definitely want to move away from electric cars the amount of smog that's released producing them is greater than the amount of smug conventional vehicle produces in its lifetime.

so depending on coal to produce electricity for transportation is better why robbing Peter to pay Paul.

just so we can be dependent on the world market for Coal? Electricity doesn't come out of trees.

in an extraordinarily tiny market.

well the only one that's a real competitor in the field Tesla is absolutely doing a massive amount of marketing just not in the conventional sense.

not from what I see.

Yes once you reach market saturation when everybody has one that wants one it's over and you won't be able to give them away.

 

You have to be careful with these statements.

The EV savings targets oil products burned on our city streets where we breathe. That 60% figure looks like the percent of our total oil consumption then ends up being burned in our cities.

Electric generation using natural gas is point source and is less likely to pollute our cities, though that does cause megatons of carbon to be pumped into our atmosphere.

Also, the growth in demand for electricity in the USA is the same as the growth in clean energy development. We've progressed to the point where we are not increasing the amount of electricity create by fossil fuel!! Not only that, but we are burning less coal, which is a wide area pollutant and requires the devastation of open pit mining.

This last is not because of EVs. It's because we don't like pollution and care about atmospheric carbon.

 

What's the matter with you you can't read or you don't like having discussions with people that don't agree with you and can counter the points you made?

That's pretty early for a cop out.