There Is No Right To Life In The Declaration Of Independence

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  1. LangleyMan

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    Who knows, but it may be because she anticipated the sort of reaction coming from anti-abortion types like yourself who would start jumping up and down about "right to life" for the fetus, as though the fetus is a person (which it isn't).

    You folks just can't accept women aren't going to put up with you criminalizing women exercising control over their bodies.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And based on the Left's fondness for unconstitutional Covid vaccine mandates that flagrantly violate that right I could make the same ignorant generalization of the Left, too.

    However, the Right doesn't consist solely of anti-abortion social conservatives and the Left doesn't consist solely of Vax Nazis.
     
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    SBOB BUT TRUMP.jpg

    We were talking about Obama. Whataboutism ignored.
     
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    So, you're going to defend the stupid play on Obama's slip of the tongue?

    Hoohhhhh-Kayyyyyy.
     
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    Cool desperation to change the topic. Care to talk about the actual topic? When you are done ******** on millions of graves by misrepresenting the Nazis, that is. Pretty sure my grandfather faced way worse things in the prison camps than just getting a vaccine. When you are done misrepresenting the Nazis for cheap political thrills, maybe you can develop the intellectual integrity required to talk about the actual topic.
     
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    Lol, no, we were actually talking about Harris, not Obama. But it is funny hearing you pretend to whine about this after your own vaccine whataboutism. Cute!
     
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    It does for a lot of Righties. I never stated or contended otherwise.

    And that's the problem with the assaults that are taking place on the right to self-proprietorship - they're coming from both sides of the political aisle, and that, in my estimation, is only hastening the erosion of that right. As I've said before, it's a race to the bottom....
     
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    So make up your mind: are whataboutisms kosher or not? You didn't like that I brought up Trump, but you brought up vaccine mandates. Make up your ****ing mind.

    If I need to have Spongebob tell you "But vaccines" with a rainbow between his hands I can, if that's the standard you are looking for.
     
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    You made the topic ignorant generalizations and I responded. What's the problem?

    Spoken just like a Vax Nazi.

    Instead of getting emotional perhaps you should learn to respect peoples right to self-proprietorship?
     
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    I made comparisons. So did you. You think your comparisons (which involve historical illiteracy) are fine, but mine are forbidden. That's the problem.



    Quote me ever supporting government vaccine mandates. And/or keep misrepresenting Nazis for fake comparisons.

    Unlike righties, I do. Instead of getting emotional, perhaps stop lazily and dishonestly ******** on the graves of millions of people for fake Nazi comparisons.
     
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    You two don't seem to understand what the DOI is .. nor its function or importance in a constitutional republic .. nor what a constitutional republic is .. least not ours .. and how it works.

    Correct Rampart -- The DOI is not law .. it is however the principles by which law and the constitution are to be interpreted in this nation ..spelling out where the authority of Gov't comes from .. whether or not that authority is "Legitimate"

    Invokation of the Creator has nothing to do with needing God's blessing for law .. natural rights .. or any such nonsense.... The document spells out not wha can be done in law .. not what is withing the legitimate authority of Govt ... but what is not .. comprende vous ?

    Essential Liberty is put "Above" "Out side of" the legitimate authority of Gov't. The whole point of a constitutional republic is to put limits on the power of Gov't .. and there is your limit

    This means not that Gov't can not lobby "we the people" for laws which mess with the essentials = but .. Gov't is not supposed to have any legit authority to make such law "of its own volition" - without consultation of the people .. without a request for a change to the "Social Contract" .. construct by which we the people give authority to Gov't

    and that bar in our constitutional republic for messing with liberty is not 50+1 .. not "Simple Majority Mandate" as so many of the political clownshow would have you believe .. in fact the whole point of a constitutional republic is to avoid "Tyranny of the Majority" .

    So lets show some effort and tell me what the bar is then .. since your so keen on telling folks what is what about the DOI...
     
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    I think you need to exercise a little self-awareness and introspection and make up your own mind. I've seen you yapping about whataboutisms on numerous occasions, yet there you are whatabouting for Obama.

    I realize I struck a nerve and your reading comprehension and logic skills have temporarily gone to hell because of it, but what I brought up in Post #69 was the right to self-proprietorship and how Americans have not been consistent about supporting and securing that right:

    And yes, vaccine mandates are part of the problem, but the people who supported and pushed them are even worse.
     
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    Spin it all you want, it is Harris who reworded to the DOI to her liking.
     
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    Nope, the DOI is our declaration of intent to succeed from England.
     
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    Harris reworded the DOI to her liking. She could have said that if she wanted. She avoided it altogether. I wonder why?
     
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    She would have been better off not misquoting the DOI in the first place. She purposely avoided talking about a right to life while championing abortion.
     
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    You made an ignorant generalization. I didn't, and then I pointed out how I could repeat the mistake you made, too.

    Quote what I said, and I didn't misrepresent Nazis.

    Nazi
    noun
    Na·zi ˈnät-sē ˈnat-

    Synonyms of Nazi
    1
    : a member of a German fascist party controlling Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler
    2
    often not capitalized
    a
    : one who espouses the beliefs and policies of the German Nazis : FASCIST
    b
    : one who is likened to a German Nazi : a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant person

    Which brings us to your red herring - is it the product of

    A) Dishonesty
    B) Ignorance
    C) All of the Above

    Let's find out:

    [quote}Unlike righties, I do. Instead of getting emotional, perhaps stop lazily and dishonestly ******** on the graves of millions of people for fake Nazi comparisons.[/QUOTE]

    And the answer is A) Dishonesty.

    Which means your other claims aren't worth the bandwidth they're posted on.

    Have a nice day. :wink:
     
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    No, I posted the video of Obama's bleat, made a crack about the TOTUS and then laughed at the silly people who think Barry's the second coming of Patrick Henry.

    Don't get upset - it's been a long time since we've had an articulate president. For the most part our best and brightest are too smart to get into politics.
     
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    "There Is No Right To Life In The Declaration Of Independence"

    is that how the right justifies the death penalty?
     
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    Now, THAT'S REALLY ABSURD.
     
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    Didn't say otherwise Homer .. what a joke :) har har har.

    So smarty pants ... since you know so much .. answer the question "where is the bar"
     
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    The most SCOTUS does with the Declaration is that it goes to it to interpret the Constitution.

    The Constitution itself that says the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

    "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."​

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

    The Declaration of Independence was a call-to-arms by the American colonists. It stated the principles they were fighting for and listed the grievances to made them revolutionaries.
     
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    Indeed. The "life" part of life, liberty and happiness didn't include humans from conception.
     
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    How would you know when you think the Declaration is the law of the land?
     
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    This is my nominate for "Stupidest post of the day". You have no idea what I think and apparently don't do much of it yourself.
     
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