Josh Hawley wants to ban TikTok nationwide. Missouri senator will introduce legislation

Not crazy but lazy. Actual work gets left undone.

 

TicToc should be banned, and it shouldn't be a political issue.

People who don't understand why tictoc should be banned, haven't really looked into the issue very far.

 

Can you tell me how TikTok is more of a threat to national security than allowing Americans to shop on websites like Aliexpress? Can you tell me how it is more of a national threat than allowing the Chinese to spend over a billion dollars on Oil fields in Texas? Why are you concerned with a social media app when so much of our electronics come from China? Why are you not worried about security cameras made in China that have their own OS and have access to a network to potentially send all of the images and sounds they capture to China? Why are you not worried about about all of the smart phones that are made in China? Are you sure there is not something in that phone that sends back all your info to China? Everything from TV android boxes to kitchen appliances that have access to networks are made in China or contain electronic components from China. Just look at all of the devices connected to your computer, how many are made in China? Do you own G.E. Appliances? They are own by China.

It certainly easy to claim national security and I would agree with you if I thought this was a real national security issue. The problem is this looks like a stunt where Hawley is trying to appease his base and nothing more. It makes people like you happy because you think something is being done but when it is all over the China problem is still there and just getting worse. If you think China needs a social media app to spy on us then I think you are missing the big picture.

Here is an interesting little fact:

How many US companies are owned by Chinese?
There were 261 Chinese companies listed in the US with a combined market value of $1.3 trillion as of March 2022 according to the U.S-China Economic and Security Review Commission.

 

FYI. People aren’t blaming Democrats for this.

 

How many of those companies have been found and proven to be data mining, near limitlessly?

 

TikTok would not be the first app to do data mining. Everything from Facebook or Amazon to Pokemon Go has been accuse of data mining. Again this is NOT a bill that limits data mining. If you think data mining is the problem why is there not a generic bill out there that addresses that problem. The rhetoric is that China uses this app to spy on Americans. There is NO proof of that.

 

WHO is data mining is a pretty important component.

 

And WHO are they. If you are simply saying it is a Chinese owned company then we are back to my original argument of why we are not banning all businesses with Chinese companies? Why do we sell them our oil fields, let them own US companies, allow people to buy off Chinese company websites? Do you know what data mining is?

So a social media company is analyzing the usage data from the users. If you owned a social media company would you not do this to try to make a better product and give your users a better experience? In your opinion how many companies do you think do this? Should data mining be illegal?

In you opinion, what data do you think TikTok is collecting that would represent a national security threat. I have heard crazy theories like they have access to everything on your device but no one has shown proof beyond the settings that many similar apps have permission setting for. Sure you can give them access to your contacts like many other apps but again you can disable it. If you think security from apps is a problem the area that we should be regulating are the OS makers like Apple and Google to ensure APPs are strictly limited to the access we grant them. Currently I assume that works but I can see how there can be bugs in the system but the place to stop it is at the Apple and Google level not individual apps.

 

They aren't blaming Democrats for lying to them? Yeah I don't know how you are fabricating that but what lying like this does is make people apathetic. They don't necessarily have to blame them they just need to remember the last time they promised something they turned around and said **** you we lied. And as a result they won't believe the promises made.

Again I don't think this is going to make Democrats into Republicans it'll just make them less inclined to vote. That's why lying and subsequently saying **** you dummy to your voters is a bad idea.

There's nobody else to blame. And if I come across Democrats that voted for people in the midterm I'll explain that and show them videos of pelosi stating that the Biden administration knew they couldn't do that.

 

I'm of two minds on the subject. On the one hand, TikTok is literally cancer. On the other, they're not really doing anything the other social media companies have done since, who have all copied their model (YouTube shorts, etc)

The real solution is parenting. No parent worth their salt should be letting their kid use a smartphone before they're at least a teenager. All the time I see 1 year old toddlers with iPads in their hands. It's seriously baffling.

Their parents complain about these tech platforms but are more than happy to outsource their parenting to them.

 

Democrats didn’t file baseless lawsuits to stop it.

 

So? What does that matter to the voter with 85k if student loan debt?

 

Most of those people are smart. They know who ****ed them

 

I dont know why your comparing oil field to online data. It's apples to tennis balls.

Also, if there is no concern, why is Biden concerned?

The New York Times reported last month that the Biden administration and TikTok have hammered out the foundations of a deal in which TikTok would make changes to its data security and governance without ByteDance being required to sell it.

 

Well really it was whoever nationalized student loans. But they all still know that Biden absolutely lied to them knowing for sure he couldn't do that.

You can try and blame someone else kind of the left wing thing but that only matters to you not to the voters with student loan debt

 

I bring up oil fields because I think China IS a problem. I have discussed this many times in many threads in and outside this forum along with my concerns over rare earth metals and Chinese slow take over of Africa. We need a much better plan on how to deal with China. Chinese companies buying up billions of dollars in oil fields in the US is more of a national security concern to me than TikTok using social media data to make a better "For You" page. Politicians like Biden and Hawley prefer to deal with these little issues instead of the big ones which are much more complicated.

I worked in Tech and probably the most highly regulated industry in the world and I am willing to bet the changes that TikTok will implement will be superficial. Sure they may add a few processes, more transparency in some area but IMO they are not the problem. Like I said earlier if you believe data mining is an issue create a bigger more encompassing law that impacts everyone. The problem is data mining is a regular part of business. It is just that computers and technology has made it so much more prevalent and effective. Even before computers the concepts of data mining have always been in place in business. Business owners observe the behavior of their customers and cater their services and product to better serve those customers. With computers, instead of simple observations you can crunch the numbers for millions of customers in seconds. They assess, group, categorize, cross reference them at incredible speeds. If someone likes fishing videos they may be more likely to watch hunting videos so if TikTok sees you watching fishing videos all of a sudden hunting videos show up. If you skip all of those hunting videos they will know it is not for you and that info would be updated. If you use TikTok you would realize they have some of the most sophisticated algorithms out there. They based on your viewing habits and people around you they determine the types of videos you want to see and constantly make them available to you as you scroll. For example if you allow TikTok to have access to your contacts, (which I do not), they will now see what your contacts watch and may recommend those to you. That is the addictive nature of TikTok. BUT the thing with TikTok and all apps is there are options in your phone OS which determines what type of access they have to your information. If you turn off contacts they can no longer see your contacts. As longs as Google or Apple security works TikTok has no way of getting your contacts. The same is true with all of the other settings under app permissions.

The politicians are leading their voters around like sheep throwing up these ridiculous bills that do nothing while ignoring the big picture.

 

It’s not over. You are aware right? The case has actually strengthened for the White House.

 

Well, now that inflation has disappeared, the economy is booming and even the working class is making money like crazy, what else could the GOP *******s do while standing in line to kiss Trump's ass?

 

I can see banning it on government devices. But banning it nationwide is crazy.

 

I am not on TikTok, but many YouTubers that I see are also on TikTok such as Jeff Dunham, The Filipina Pea, The Fat Electrician, and others. Somehow they are not TDS or whatever you want to call it. Some have sent me comedy sketches as well including that of DJT, Biden, Obama, Reagan, etc. The point is that any social media site, it is used for and what you search for and what you watch from your feeds. I rarely get anything political, liberal or conservative because I don't like to watch those.

The rest of your post is pure fear-mongering. The Chinese are not going to hack you or me or anyone else. They might get a few laughs if they did, but nothing substantial or governmental secrets even though i used to work for the government. Oh hells bells, even when I went to China and gave them the info of who I worked for, I did not have any problems, not even in the hotel room. And yes, they searched my bags thoroughly and found nothing. But basically, it is not how spy operations work. It may be easy because some computer "nerd" found it, but the question is whether China nor any intelligence agency, not even us, do this sort of thing. What they do is get your phone data of where you been and that is what we do through the Patriot Act, passed by a GOP Congress and signed by a GOP president initially.

 

Howley's bill is a total ban. Like I said, ban it on government devices. Make sure those who have secrets use two sets of phones, and that includes members of Congress. But somehow, these same members or Congress are going to do the convenient thing, and pretty much defend themselves much like what HRC did when you have classified emails sent to her private phone device. Get it now?

Texas is banning TikTok on government property including state school website sites. I am fine with that, but it should with all social media IMO just to be fair. None of that should be on the intranet through the school systems. But a total ban is pretty much acting like President Xi, isn't it. Ya'll two have more in common than what you think

 

Actually, it is if you are going to do a total ban. The fact that is Chinese-owned is just the excuse, not the reason. For national security reasons, that just means banning it on government devices and making sure that those who are employees, executives in the executive branch, and members of congress should have two sets of phones when in those types of positions. Most do, but Congre4ss is using the same excuse as HRC did when she got her emails sent to her private phone. And the GOP is doing the same bloody, pun intended, thing.

 

There is no strawman. Anything and everything Chinese or anti-Chinese sentiment is flowing through the GOP right now, much like the Anti-Japanese sentiment that the GOP and the Democratic Party had in the 1990s or the Anti-Muslim rhetoric on Fox and other conservative websites after 9/11, and the list goes on and on. Nothing is about "national security" ior protecting personal information.

So, thieves are now using more sophisticated scanning devices nowadays. they can obtain your information even by going to a gas station or a convenience store if you decide to swipe or insert your CC or DC to pay for something. Then the hacking if hackers decide to go to Wendy's or any other Website or Email company or anyone else. Your information is not that secure. The only thing you can do is protect yourself and look at your expenses every few days to see if any unusual small changes occur. that usually is what happens first before they decide to go after the bigger bucks. Or another example, giving your credit card or debit card to the waiter and the waiter goes off to make the charge. What you don't know is if the waiter will copy all the important information from the card number to the expiration date to the security code on the back. and then that waiter, in the comfort of his or her place, can use it without you knowing it. And then don't get me started on open, or outside ATMs where someone standing behind you can gather all the information they need and you won't even know it.

 

Yes it is the house controls finances the president knew this when he made the promise he was just tricking people into voting for him.

And apparently this isn't very common knowledge cuz here I am explaining it to you.

Absolutely no hats regardless of makeup will ever sign a 400 billion dollar bill that doesn't benefit them.

Politicians are not altruistic they're self-centered it's literally a popularity contest.

So rule of thumb so you're not naive in the future anytime a politician promises to help you they're lying.

 

I disagree and you're not going to prove it because you would have to prove then I said something I didn't say and I know better what I said than you do.

well Chinese refers to a government and it's a government that's ethnically cleansing people so GOP are the only politicians that have any sense or any decency I don't think that's the statement you want to make.

this is just more straw man fallacies there was never any anti-muslim sentiment there was an anti-islam. If your pro Islam you're an enemy of the State Islam cannot function under the Constitution.

The state cannot execute 9-year-olds for being gay under the Constitution of the United States but that's what Islam dictates.

If you're not against that you are evil.

You have no idea what this is about it's not about these or scans or emails or any of that crap.

It's about the Chinese government China is a government that's not a people. The people are Taiwanese, Cantonese and Mandarin. China stole the country from the people to rule it with an iron fist so if you're supporting that you are an enemy.

You want to turn it into racism you don't want to know what's really going on you want to blame any criticism that you don't like on irrational people so that you don't have to address it that's exactly what you did here.

You can fool some of the people all of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time and I'm sorry if you're one from the former I truly am.

Tick tock is about that Chinese government a government who is ethnically cleansing people as we speak collecting information on 13-year-olds so that should we go to war in a couple of years when these 13 year olds are 18 and serving in the military they can blackmail them.

It is cyber warfare the fact that you have no idea what that is I have no idea about anything regarding this is really telling everything you say about the subject means nothing because you have zero knowledge.

You just want to turn it into some culture war crap so you don't have to think about it.