Most Americans (71%) Oppose Transgender Agenda

My choice of information versus Your choice of information in a debate. Like I said, I’m simply providing information.
You can take my information as informative or leave it in favor of your information as being informative for you personally.
This is a debate forum designed for the exchange of ideas and information. No problem, did not feel you were challenging me.
We are simply debating.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/informative
Informative ~ 1. adjective ~ serving to instruct or enlighten or inform

 

I accept that with current building design there are issues with changing rooms, etc., especially at the high school level where there are zero funds for implementing any possible mitigation.

BUT, that is not a justification for denying healthcare to trans individuals, assaulting LGBTQ parades, and the rest of the acts of gross intolerance and hate that is being actively promoted, even by officials.

Plus, I seriously doubt this is a general safety issue. There have long been trans individuals using women's facilities.

What we're seeing is people using the "high school locker room" issue in legal assaults on the LGBTQ community - even explicitly assaulting their healthcare! That is NOT a legitimate argument and it is NOT a safety measure. That is raw hate.

 

That’s not how I was approaching the conversation. I didn’t view as my information vs your information, because nobody was saying anything factually incorrect. I was approaching it as friendly conversation in which we’re sharing and exchanging ideas as a light hearted intellectual personal growth endeavor. Just surprised that the more I shared my thoughts, you reacted as if I was challenging you.

 

I’m in favor of waiting for enlightenment.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/enlightenment

Enlightenment ~ noun ~ 1. education that results in understanding and the spread of knowledge

 

Same sex behavior between same sex oriented individuals can not possibly be considered perversion.

Yes, the ancients had a very different attitude toward same sex behavior.

Nearly 200 cities have legal naked bike ride events.

You got upset for OTHER reasons than nudity.

OK, NOW you're calling me a pedophile. And, that means you can't discuss this issue.

Still, I'd point out that the assaults on LGBTQ individuals go WAY beyond anything that can possibly be justified - even including legislators working to deny them healthcare!

 

It has long been shown that changing someone's sexual orientation is NOT possible.

And, that makes sense, as it is a biological phenomenon.

 

This issue has existed throughout time, obviously.

I'm glad we've reached a point where we can address this issue more openly.

BUT, whatever the decisions are for sports is NOT ANY INDICATION of what our society includes. It's only a matter of working toward a more enlightened way of running sporting events - games, and entertainment.

What I see today is people using sports issues to bolster arguments that our government should deny healthcare to the LGBTQ community.

 

Question is; how long should one wait? At some point memory will factor in and satisfaction becomes unattainable.

 

This isn't about funding abortions.

This is about the SC deciding what is moral for a woman and allowing that to control what healthcare is available for a woman and for a fetus.

If the constitution were to get involved, someone would note the stated importance of privacy and bodily autonomy. If the court of public opinion were to get involved, it would be noted that a solid majority of US citizens are in favor of abortion in all or most circumstances.

The decision to go after Roe, which has been our law over 50 years was a PARTISAN political decision.

 

Numbered for ease of response:

1) Why? Definition:
Perversion is a form of human behavior which deviates from what is considered to be orthodox or normal.
I think as a society, we are very tolerant of behavior that "deviates" from orthodox or normal behavior. Tolerance is not the same thing as finding a given behavior normal. We are all abnormal in some ways. My values are libertarian. Do as you like, just, stop cheating at sports, keep away from kids and don't scare the horses. A bare assed man simulating S&M in public, in a parade, for instance? That, metaphorically speaking, scares the horses.
2) "Nude is not lewd". I don't think a naked bike ride is an appropriate venue for kids but I agree with you that I would find a kid catching a glimpse of a bicyclist's butt hole is not as grave an offense as a guy making a pro active action to pull his g string aside and display his butt hole to children. Intent is a big deal.
3) If you are fighting to display perversion to kids, that seems like a justifiable charge. Do not do that.
4) I noted above my fear: the people are with the Republicans on this issue. I think the Republican leadership is part of a uniparty that is fine with Democrats winning. They are to be the controlled opposition and don't actually want to do what the people want. So they will intentionally blow it. I think me and 71% of people want kids protected. The Republican elite need a way to blow this. And I fear they will do so by violating my libertarian leanings (do as you like in your own privacy or adult only environments) and attack such people just to piss people like me off.
It already started. My position is society must not tolerate trans actions on people who do not have their majority (are not 18 yet). I understand Matt Walsh wants the age to be 26. That is too old to be treating a person like someone too immature to make these kind of decisions.

 

Good. Google European trans care . Very many articles there. None of them will tickle your confirmation bias, though.

 

So this award winning gay teacher spoke his mind about the school he teaches at promoting transgenderism and got bitch slapped to the curb. He was even called a Nazi. This teacher is being railroaded because he believe trannies have a mental problem.

Award-Winning Gay Teacher Suspended for Speaking Out Against Transgenderism

A gay fifth grade teacher in Glendale, California, was placed on leave after complaining at a school board meeting that his school promotes transgenderism.

Ray Shelton, a 25-year veteran teacher, spoke at a recent meeting of the school board for the Glendale Unified School District wearing a T-shirt that read “Make Biology Great Again.”

Shelton, who teaches at Mark Keppel Elementary School, has been named the Glendale school district’s “Teacher of the Year” twice and earlier this year won the PTA’s Golden Oak Award.

In an exclusive interview, Shelton, who is gay, told The Daily Signal that his intent in speaking at the Glendale school board’s April 18 meeting was to speak what he called “basic, commonsense truths.”


Shelton told the board:

Two plus two equals four. The world is not flat. Boys have penises; girls have vaginas. Gender is binary and cannot be changed. Biology is not bigotry. Heterosexuality is not hate. Gender confusion and gender delusion are deep psychological disorders. No caring professional or loving parent would ever support the chemical poisoning or surgical mutilation of a child’s genitalia.

Transgender ideology is anti-gay, it is anti-woman, and it is anti-human. It wants to take away women’s sports, women’s rights, women’s achievements—it is misogyny writ large.

And I can also say this as a gay man, the gay people …

At this point, someone muted Shelton’s microphone and a board member informed the teacher that his time was up.

Applause broke out from the audience.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/06...nded-for-speaking-out-against-transgenderism/

 

The extremes on both sides have lost their freakin minds

 

Quite true. The worst of them are now getting to be quite violent. The sooner that violent and intolerant transgender people paint themselves into an extreme corner, the better.

 

I’m only interested in what you’ve used, to make a statement such as you have, not to search to support your claim. Please don’t waste my time, again.

 

Seems the tide is turning towards sanity. We'll see.



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This is a political forum. I am reading typed debates combined with opinion & belief posts.
It is up to the reader of of those posts to consider for themselves what is factually correct or incorrect based on the definition of the word fact.
I consider a conversation to be…talking in person with one or more persons. Using an informal exchange.
I did not react as if you were challenging me because I did not think you were challenging me.
I was simply providing information for your consideration.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/debate
Debate ~ 1. noun ~ “discussion in which reasons are advanced for and against some proposition or proposal”

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/conversation
“The noun conversation comes from the Old French word of the same spelling, meaning "manner of conducting oneself in the world." When you have a conversation with another person or a group of people, you listen closely and respond appropriately, so that your conversation is a true exchange of ideas, not just people waiting for their turn to talk. A good conversation makes you feel heard, satisfied, and maybe even more informed.”
Conversation ~ 1. noun ~ “the use of speech for informal exchange of views or ideas or information etc.”

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/fact
“When someone says, "Is that a fact?" they're asking "Is that really true?" When a detective says, "Give me the facts," he only wants information that is rock solid and confirmed. The job of science is to study things and figure out what the facts are in every field. Theories and opinions are not facts: you need to have proof for something to be a fact”
Fact ~ 1. noun ~ “a piece of information about circumstances that exist or events that have occurred” “first you must collect all the facts of the case”
4. noun ~ “a concept whose truth can be proved”

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/consideration
Consideration ~ 1. noun ~ “the process of giving careful thought to something”

 

The only time that one should actually wait… is if you consider that enlightenment is worth waiting for.

 

His speaking time was up.

You're representing a portion of this issue that you believe benefits your views.

But, you did cite it! And, people can read about this, as reported by your site.

 

What moral values did the SC decide to overturn Roe (please be specific)? They simply realized this matter should never have been decided so broadly by the SC, since it's an individual State domain. People generally will choose to live in a community that reflects their beliefs. Why should the Federal government decide for me, living in Ohio, that I must abide by the opinion of those living in a "liberal" state, like California? You should read more of the majority opinion upon which Roe was overturned before expressing an opinion that's not grounded on the facts of the case.

 

I have to stop you at "perversion".

Being LGBTQ has NOTHING to do with perversion - AT ALL.

 

So if you read the definition of debate that you posted, I wasn’t trying to debate you. I wasn’t against anything you posted. I’m not against the facts. I’m not against the information you posted, so I wasn’t debating you. I was just discussing it as subject matter. I was trying to converse with you. If you read the definition of conversation, that’s what I was doing..,, trying to do exchange ideas with you.

and despite this being a debate website, you do not debate every single person you have responded to you in this thread.

All I have to say is that I thought we were conversing/exchanging ideas on the most effective way to define a biological woman.

 

The search for enlightenment is always worth the effort. Sometimes the journey is long, sometimes short. I was one of those children who always said: Are we there yet?

 

My hats off to you sir. Between being an expert in Constitutional law on the anchor baby thread, while chiming in here about ROE (which had no Constitutional basis at all) "being the law for 50 years...partisan political decision"....all while promoting the alphabet constituent's perversion of most anything normal.... you're a busy guy.

See what kind of you started @Steve N . If only you would bow down at the alter of the religion of sickness....and be a good boy....and shut up

 

I knew that Amy Coney Barrett was going to help overturn roe based on her values the moment I heard about her background. That’s why Trump picked her, why he keeps bragging to Christians that he’s done more for Christianity than anybody else, and why all the conservative men were foaming at the mouth to get her on the bench. She alone didn’t overturning roe, but it’s no secret, who supported overthrowing it, and why. I think most Americans had the same conclusion I did.