Anti-vaxxers crumble as every prediction fails to come true

Did you just "lol" at me. Evidence that Trump didn't listen: Trump said he did the opposite and didn't listen - I refer you to post #515 where some of the crap he got up to is listed. The comedy that keeps giving.

 

LOL. Post #515. The one you say without evidence I’m a conspiracy theorist. The one you post another poster’s unsubstantiated OPINION as some kind of evidence.

LOL. Trump was the best president ever. How do we know this? Because he said so!! Don’t believe him? Well, never fear. It’s true because a random PF member said so, too!!

SMH.

Nice back and forth and repetition, bro.

 

What the hell are you doing then! This is about the conflated batshit about everyone dying from vaccines, not coming true.

NONE of that was opinion. What a ridiculous premise you set. You ask for evidence, get given it. Then you want examples, get given them and yet you now bleat that they are "opinions"?

MEH!

The opposite.

Resorting to lies is fairly lame. I said his admission of incompetency should be believed.

 

There is no evidence in that post. Just personal unsubstantiated opinions. No evidence Trump didn’t take Fauci’s advice or other epidemiologist’s advice.

Indeed.

Not by your logic. Trump says it. A random PF member concurs. It’s true.

Yes resorting to lies is lame. That’s why I keep pushing for EVIDENCE. Unfortunately you have none except the words of a liar.

Back and forth. I guess you weren’t being forthright when you said you weren’t going to do that after a certain post pages back. Classic.

Oh, none of your content I’ve responded to has anything to do with anti vax predictions. If you only want that in this thread stop posting other things. Then I can’t respond to other things. Post on an open forum, YOUR content will be addressed. Wild how that works. Don’t want to discuss something, don’t post about it.

SMH.

 

Off topic noise. Evidence given and expanded upon.

 

LOL. No. Ya’ll have unsubstantiated opinions. Opinions that conflict with evidence.

This is evidence.

https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/travel-restrictions-china-due-covid-19

The Marshall Islands imposed travel restrictions with China January 24, 2020. Other nations followed. Hong Kong the 27th or 28 th. Malaysia the same time period. Other nations followed the last few days of January and the first week of February. The US did so January 31. Right in line with other countries where Trump was not president and where epidemiologists were advising governments.

The premise Trump ignored epidemiological advice on travel is a false premise. He enacted policy in line with all epidemiological advice from around the globe (except for the WHO described below in detail).

Your compatriot’s opinions you cite also conflict with actual WHO recommendations. Your random PF dude says Trump should have listened to WHO advice. Well, the WHO was still recommending against travel restrictions the end of February. The premise that the WHO was advising Trump to impose travel bans before January 31 is patently false.


WHO January 2020.

https://www.who.int/news-room/artic...-the-outbreak-of-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov/

End of February WHO still recommending against travel restrictions.

Trump imposed travel bans on China in line with other global nations being advised by epidemiologists. He did not align with the WHO on timeline, but did so in the exact OPPOSITE direction you folks believe. Your opinions are not just unsubstantiated, they conflict directly with evidence.

Now, you both are entitled to your unsubstantiated opinions. But they conflict with all known evidence. Unfortunately you still have NO evidence Trump ignored all epidemiological advice from folks like Fauci etal. Your opinions conflict with actual evidence.

To be clear, Trump was an idiot on Covid. Because he’s a bit nuts and pig ignorant about biological sciences. But Fauci and others made direct recommendations that were not only not supported by science, but in conflict with evidence produced through application of the scientific method.

Both ignorant politicians and dishonest public health officials are bad. It’s not a contest. Both should be criticized. But your opinions are simply that. Just unsubstantiated opinions that conflict with evidence.

It’s clear you do not understand what evidence is. Someone’s opinion is not evidence.

 

Thank you for your off topic crap.

 

More lies. That’s what happens when people actually don’t know anything about the people they are slagging off.

Fauci developed effective therapies for formerly fatal inflammatory and immune-mediated diseases such as polyarteritis nodosa, granulomatosis with polyangiitis (formerly Wegener's granulomatosis), and lymphomatoid granulomatosi? Removing cataracts pales in comparison to developing therapies that save lives.

Fauci discovered how to re-dose cancer drugs in a way that turned a 98 percent mortality rate of the disorder vasculitis into a 93 percent remission rate. So, saving lives of what was previously a death sentence. How many lives has Paul saved?

Fauci was the chief architect behind PEPFAR — the US President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS relief. PEPFAR has invested nearly 100 billion dollars in the global HIV and AIDS response, helping save millions of lives. How many lives has Paul assisted in saving?

His research into infectious diseases has saved millions of lives?

Paul is merely one of 18,000 Opthalmologists in the US who perform eye surgery on a daily basis. Your desperation to conflate Paul’s career as contributing more than Fauci smells of desperation. Fauci is a world-renowned specialist in infectious diseases who has contributed much more than just a few delicate eye operations.

 

It’s the topic YOU chose. I responded directly to YOUR content.

Oh, yes, now it’s clear. Anything based on evidence is off topic crap to you.

The “topics” you prefer are fallacy, unsubstantiated opinions, and unsupported statements by known liars!

There you have it folks. When shown their opinions are not based on evidence, they call evidence off topic crap! These same folks created a term for this—science denial. We done exposed another one….denying science and clinging to biased unsubstantiated opinions that conflict with evidence.

Evidence a poster’s content is erroneous is off topic crap! Classic. SMH.

 

Nope.

Off topic noise. Repeating yet again.

 

There is lots of evidence that Trump screwed up and followed his own advice.

https://www.vox.com/2020/6/8/21242003/trump-failed-coronavirus-response

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemima...ed-to-public-new-emails-show/?sh=25e8dffd4ad6

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/29/opinions/ways-trump-botched-covid-response-holtgrave/index.html

 

You reposted the misinformation about travel restrictions posted by another member . Nobody coerced you. I simply pointed out the errors in that post. You chose the topic. I corrected the misinformation.

Yes, you keep demonstrating your rabid appetite for fallacy and disinformation and your disdain for verifiable evidence. Repetition indeed.

 

Repetitious noise once again!

Probably still won't silence the noise. Apparently Trump lies when he is deliberately making himself look like an ass.

 

How do quotes from Trump equal misinformation? He effed up and it’s obvious.

 

Screwed up? Sure. I already said he did. That’s not the same as going against every recommendation made by Fauci, Birx, etal. Here is the claim.

Let’s look at your evidence.

You have made these claims.

The source you now provide conflicts with your opinion stated above.

You reference the WHO, claiming it was advising him to make travel restrictions. Unfortunately you are incorrect. At that time the WHO was recommending against travel restrictions in most cases.

Also, other countries implemented restrictions at the same time as the US. Only a handful a few days before and most after the US.

https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/travel-restrictions-china-due-covid-19

The Marshall Islands imposed travel restrictions with China January 24, 2020. Other nations followed. Hong Kong the 27th or 28 th. Malaysia the same time period. Other nations followed the last few days of January and the first week of February. The US did so January 31. Right in line with other countries where Trump was not president and where epidemiologists were advising governments.

So we see the evidence conflicts with your opinions. Trump’s travel restrictions are mirrored by the rest of the world’s countries, none of which he had any control of.

And the WHO is on record taking the opposite position of your unsubstantiated claim.

Hmmm. The CDC made mistakes. Nothing about Trump ignoring all Fauci’s advice….

Here is a quote from this source.

I’m not seeing any evidence here to support the claim Trump went against EVERY recommendation by Fauci, Birx etal.

I appreciate your attempt, but there’s no evidence here to support your compatriot’s claim. And the post of yours he quoted to me is full of factual errors and false premises.

 

Again you call evidence noise. Cool. We know you don’t like real evidence but it’s good you keep reiterating that.

Yes Trump lies. But you believe anything he says if it agrees with your preconceived biases. The dude you just quoted again is way out of his depth. Just more misinformation and opinions that conflict with evidence. If you bother to read his cites (provided without comment or pull quotes in violation of PF rules) you see his own cites conflict with his opinions.

 

Did you quote Trump? Not in anything I’ve responded to. I simply pointed out your post the other member quoted to me was full of misinformation and false premises.

I’m trying to figure out why that poster believes things Trump says without any supporting evidence. Trump says it, he believes it.

Trump effed up. Fauci “effed” up. The CDC effed up. Trump lied. Fauci lied. The CDC lied. I don’t understand why it’s a problem to admit these facts. We can’t do a better job next time if we double down on letting liars and fools create policy.

 

The dude you just quoted again is way out of his depth. Just more misinformation and opinions that conflict with evidence. If you bother to read his cites (provided without comment or pull quotes in violation of PF rules) you see his own cites conflict with his opinions.[/QUOTE]
Off topic noise again. Try and understand that just because YOU say it is evidence and the evidence given to you is not evidence, that doesn't make it so.

That's baiting and completely false. I don't have any preconceived biases and I believe things Trump says (in this case) according to how likely I think it is he would be lying. It is absolutely moronic to suggest he was lying about something that shows him to be an incompetent fool!
The back and forth I was talking about was in relation to the wall of multi-quotes!

 

Opinions that are unsubstantiated are not evidence.

You have posted nothing but opinions. MuchAdo posted opinions. Then he attempted to substantiate that opinion, but the EVIDENCE he presented conflicted with his opinion.

Your preconceived bias is contained in this still unsubstantiated opinion in response to a question.

Your opinion is Trump rejected every recommendation of Fauci, Birx, etal. You share that opinion with Trump, a man you say you have no reason to trust, who stated that opinion. Neither you or Trump have or can provide any EVIDENCE your opinion is valid.

It’s sad you don’t “believe things” based on evidence or lack thereof instead of your feelings about the likelihood of someone lying. But you admittedly don’t base your beliefs on evidence.

That’s your right. You have every right to reject evidence and hold unsubstantiated opinions. But in matters of science that position prohibits your posts from being taken seriously. And on a public forum it opens your unsubstantiated opinions up to scrutiny to folks like me that base our positions on evidence.

You posted another member’s OPINIONS as evidence for your claim. His OPINIONS are shown to be incorrect by evidence I provided. For example, he claimed the Trump should have enacted travel bans sooner based on advice from WHO officials. But the WHO is on published record (EVIDENCE) recommending no travel bans until long after Trump imposed them. The citations the other poster provided contained information I quoted saying experts in epidemiology had diversity of recommendations on bans, meaning no uniform consensus.

His premise that Trump was slow in enacting bans was also false. The EVIDENCE shows only a handful of countries enacting bans 1-7 days before the Trump administration and most enacting bans AFTER. I posted EVIDENCE in the form of on the record dates when each country published their bans. I didn’t post my OPINION.

Again, you are entitled to all the unsubstantiated opinions you want to hold and voice on a public forum. But you will have to deal with folks like me pointing out your opinions are not supported by evidence and conflict with evidence.

If you decide on whether or not to believe a thing based on your perceived odds of a person lying, by definition you have preconceived bias.

SMH.

 

What a waste of time, off-topic repeat noise.

 

Yet here we are, several years on and absolutely nothing has happened. If this ridiculous claim of a plot to kill off millions with a vaccine was true, it's the most incompetent conspiracy yet!

 

I'm really not getting this "big up" Paul campaign. The guy is just not qualified.

 

Impact of Trump's Promotion of Unproven COVID-19 Treatments and Subsequent Internet Trends: Observational Study - PMC (nih.gov)
"From March 1 to April 30, 2020, Donald J Trump made 11 tweets about unproven therapies and mentioned these therapies 65 times in White House briefings, especially touting hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine. These tweets had an impression reach of 300% above Donald J Trump’s average. Following these tweets, at least 2% of airtime on conservative networks for treatment modalities like azithromycin and continuous mentions of such treatments were observed on stations like Fox News. Google searches and purchases increased following his first press conference on March 19, 2020, and increased again following his tweets on March 21, 2020. The same is true for medications on Amazon, with purchases for medicine substitutes, such as hydroxychloroquine, increasing by 200%."

"Based on our analysis with Tweet Binder [19], with an average proportion of nearly 100,000 likes and 20,000 retweets, Donald J Trump’s first tweet on March 21, 2020 advocating for the use of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was one of his most popular tweets. With 385,700 likes and 103,200 retweets at the time of this study, the tweet had a potential estimated impression reach (ie, the number of potential user views on the individual tweet) of 78,800,580."

 

Hydroxichloroquine and/or chloroquine is an anti inflammatory drug developed for use against malaria decades ago. It is used by most if not all other countries for covid (Red China for example uses it as part of their treatment protocols). It is safe and effective but of course not a cure. Ibuprofen is also safe and effective.

 

You picked every topic. I’ve responded directly to content YOU posted and re-posted.

Now actual evidence is a waste of time. LOL

Nobody is forcing anyone to be here for an education on what constitutes evidence. Nobody is forcing anyone to post unsubstantiated opinions and have those opinions subjected to fact check by people who prefer evidence over preconceived bias. Any participation in education here is strictly voluntary. Any time wasted is a choice.