A ********** controlled country

The funny thing is, that many libs will deny they want big government and over-spending, yet they bash the Tea Party movement. It seems that they are in limbo, and should probably support the Tea Party movement, but like you said, are afraid.

 

Foolish, bigoted, idiots always scare me, especially when they are members of the nutty NRA.

 

I believe I mentioned fools, bigots and idiots in an earlier post, hmmmm.

 

If you mentioned liberals, then you certainly did mention fools, bigots, and idiots.

 

Gay marriage is not what marriage is.

Abortions are legalized by leftist loserism deprivation of life to an innocent individual who has no choice.

Jealousy of the rich serves you poorly. The rich pay 70% of the taxes.

You just proved that you do not know what liberty is and are totally ignorent of how our liberty is being taken away from us.

Christophobia from the freedom form religion website. It would seem that you fail to observe or understand that what they want is the religion of Atheism to be the state religion, in violation of the constitution that they hide behind. Get a clue.

 

The principles of wanting less government spending and less government I agree with. As a liberal, I can support the Tea Party on this matter. However, this is usually where the agreements end. I do not agree with a literalist or originist interpretation of the Constitution, as many Tea Partyers do. I do not agree with the "Contract from America." These basic disagreements are the fundamental reasons why I cannot support the Tea Party.

 

yes, there are liberal fools,bigots and idiots, but by far a lower percentage than in the tea party. OH, I am not a liberal by the way.

 

The Constitution has worked for years. It is when divergence from the Constitution occurs, and certain folks view it as a living, breathing, changing document, is when things get out of control. It cannot account for every possible aspect of life, but it can do pretty good, and nothing that I see happening today is an exception. Our federal government is operating way beyond the bounds of the Constitution. That is where we get into trouble.

 

Just a point of order for the liberals to absorb.

Under the Clinton higher tax rates on the RICH. The top 25% paid 82.xx% of the total income tax. And the lowest 50% of income earners paid 4.91% of all income taxes.

Now under the lower Bush rates on the RICH. The top 25% of income earners pay 86.xx% of the total income tax and the lowest 50% pay 2.70%

The rich pay 5% MORE and the lower INCOME EARNERS, [not the poor] pay 45% LESS!

In addition to paying the overwhelming majority of income taxes, the RICH pay more sales and property taxes as well.

AND
One of the ways that States and Cities finance construction of roads, schools, government offices, etc. is by issuing Municipal Bonds. A Muni Bond is a loan to the local government, just as a Treasury Bond is a loan to the Federal govt. Who buys [loans] money for the States and Cities? Rich people or poor people? Sure the rich collect tax free interest on their bonds they loaned to the city or state. But the poor use the roads and schools and buildings that would not be there if not for the rich, FINANCING, EVERYTHING.

 

Hike up your britches & turn around, dude! You are past your knees in de-nile!

 

MONTOYA SAID: Luckily that number is decreasing every week, the American public thinks the **********s are nothing but extremists, and they would be 100% correct.

The TEA movement (and all other populist movements) are much like old soldiers: They never die; they just fade away. Even as we speak, the TEA movement is fifty percent less that whatever it was. The TEA movement started as a Tax Relief movement but quickly evolved into a multipurpose movement sustained by a diverse collection of fruits and nuts.

Nevertheless, the Tax issue was valid, and still is! The present income tax structure includes brackets as follows: 10%, 15%, 25%, 28%, 33% and 35% (see link, below). However, this does not reflect what actually gets paid because these bracket values do not take into account deductions and other adjustments (aka loopholes). In terms of actual taxes paid, the brackets would look something like this: 10%, 15%. 25%, 25%, 15% and 10%. (Some individuals at the extreme upper income levels actually pay 0%!)

Tax payers in the middle income brackets feel like they're being screwed because they are being screwed! However, it's not because taxes are "too high". It's because the bracket structure tells us nothing about the distribution of the tax burden. Unfortunately, the TEA movement (what's left of it) is dedicated to fixing everything but the very thing that needs to be fixed! But there is a solution to this problem; it's called, "Tax Reform". As it turns out, people who understand the real problem may be the "new" TEA party.

Link to: http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/federal-income-irs-tax-brackets.html

 

Sure, the Tea Party movement is about taxes, but also against over-spending and over-regulation, and abiding by the Constitution, etc. So, it looks like Montoya doesn't know a thing about the Tea Party movement.

 

Wrong again, GOVERNMENT has worked for years, the constitution has not worked for two hundred years, since the had to add the first ten amendments. It has become a jack-legged, jury-rigged, document that in its original form has no validity today, except in generalities. We need a NEW and SPECIFIC document to run the country. The govt is operating outside the constitution because no one can come to a consensus on what is inside the Constitution.

 

Spoken like a true liberal. Don't worry, your boy Obama, and his Administration, are doing what they can to circumvent the Constitution.

 

Here is a better, AND FACTUAL, [From actual Federal Revenue figures] way to look at actual income taxes paid.

Back in the Clinton days of HIGHER rates on the rich, the top 25% [Adjusted Gross Income] of income earners paid 82.xx% of the total income taxes collected. And the lowest 50% of AGI paid 4.91% of the total income taxes collected.

Now under the "lower" Bush rates on the rich, the top 25% AGI earners paid 86.34% of the total income taxes collected, and the lower 50% AGI paid 2.70% of the total income taxes collected.

Today's "rich" [top 25%AGI] receive 45.77% of the nations income and pay 86.34% of the total income taxes collected. The REMAINING 75% of income earners receive more than half the total income of the nation and pay ONLY 13.66% of the nations total income taxes. Regardless of deductions and loopholes, the rich are supplying $863.40 of every $1000.00 the Federal Government receives in income taxes.

 

Get used to the idea, it's coming in 13 months.

 

Actually no its not. The protests say otherwise. The true voice of the people.

 

Too bad, you got schnooked by an anonymous kook blog.

If they're telling the truth, why hide their identity?

 

Dan40 Said: "The rich are supplying $863.40 of every $1000.00 the Federal Government receives in income taxes."

This being the case, it would appear common sense and fairness require a tax structure where the poor, middle and high pay the same dollar amount, i.e, where the rich pay $500 per $1000 and everyone else pays $500 per $1000. According to your figures, the rich now pay 86%. If 86% is "too high", what would be "fair"? If I said 66% is "fair", would you hold out for 50%? Your figures raise more questions than they answer. The solution to the "tax problem" is serious tax reform!

But more to the point, the figures you cite are based on "Adjusted Gross Income". As it turns out, income gets "adjusted" up front to assure an advantage to those in a position to dictate the construction of tax law. "Adjusted" is just another word for "loophole". As a point of fact, poor and middle class wage earners have no influence whatsoever over tax law adjustments, deductions and loopholes. "Smoke and mirrors" is not a desirable substitute for serious tax reform!

 

False, the top income brackets pay the highest effective rates while the lowest make money off the present tax system. The top 1% paying the highest effective tax rate.

Don't fall for the class warfare lies.

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7igHYpROOD0A.ulXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE0anJpNmJnBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1FJMDMzXzE5Mw--/SIG=12o2tkt5q/EXP=1318376071/**http%3a//www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/88xx/doc8885/12-11-HistoricalTaxRates.pdf

 

FY 2009, FIFTY-ONE PERCENT of the income earners of the USA paid ZERO income tax. What "effective rate" is that? Plus of that 51%, 23 million received EITC amounting to thousands of dollars of rebates in addition to receiving 100% of their withholding returned. Not one of that 51% was in the top 49% of income earners.

 

I am every bit as liberal as Thomas Jefferson, who said we should have a violent uprising every 20 years and at that time re-wrote our laws. Oh, my political beliefs run the gamut from far right-wing to far left wing. That makes me a centrist, not a liberal. I believe in personal gun-ownership, in protecting our borders, in English for Americans, in Capital Punishment, and in Abortion. You see, unlike some, I think out each issue and decide on its merits for my self, and do NOT follow some right, left or other political nonsense.

 

WRONG AGAIN!

What are mortgage interest deductions? Loopholes that the lowest income earners may take advantage of as well as anyone. What are child credits? Loopholes for the lower incomes. What are Earned Income Tax Credits? Loopholes for the lower incomes too. What are standard deductions but loopholes for the lower incomes?

My figures above included AGI for the top and bottom incomes. If we looked at just gross incomes, the rich would still pay the vast majority of the taxes of this nation. Here's a loophole for the rich, Tax Free Municipal Bonds. The rich buy those bonds and collect interest on them which is TAX FREE. What a gift to the rich! But what do Muni bonds DO? They finance local governments building of SCHOOLS, and GOVT OFFICES, and ROADS. That the poor people that do not pay taxes and do not buy Muni's, but do get to use the schools and offices, and roads that the evil rich SUPPLIED. Without that loophole, where are the local govts going to get money? And now the idiot incompetent incumbent insane jobs bill include a retroactive tax on tax free bonds. He's not just incompetent, he is certifiably insane.

 

That's the idea. That's to keep the trash on their side of the street so decent, honest, hard working people can enjoy their lives in peace and security.

 

Dan40 Said: WRONG AGAIN!

Your right, loopholes that lower the tax burden for low and average incomes are nevertheless "loopholes". But in spite of low and middle income tax relief gestures, the beneficiaries of these gratuitous loopholes continue to live one step short of foreclosure and two steps short of bankruptcy. In recent history, too many of these same people have come up one or two steps short of economic survival. A fair and understandable tax system, by definition, has no need of income adjustments or loopholes at any income level, adjusted or otherwise. This Country is in great need of serious tax reform!