Are Jews becoming even more like the Nazis?

I dont think the Jews are like Nazi's .. and you can not generalize traits over an entire race of people.

The Israeli state however, is more similar to China, in its actions against those that protest human rights abuses.

China had Tianamen Square .. Israel recently dropped commando's onto ships with protestors .. killing 10 innocent people.

 

Oh honey... Neither Jews nor Nazis are a race.

 

Your first sentence I still remember was thinking about exactly the same thing in 1997 when I first got into politics, and I still would do exactly just that now if I was a world dictator or US president (would be the same thing as being a world dictator to me)... i would force them all to speak english - very easy - no israeli palestinian languages in government offices, police offices, courts, stores etc. - ability to speak english would dictate standing. i would know how to deal with bs anti americanism so well. i would make a perfect dictator and I am speaking from my heart - because i was meant for this task, seriously. any conflict there is in the world i would solve like that - peace invaders without weapons consisting of hard criminals (who can be sacraficed if necesary) march in first to do the thing. if they are hurt and not protected by locals, city gets nuked, media who talks bad about me bombed. i mean ideas like this just come to my head instantly because as I said I am a natural world problem solver. if I was a dictator/US president in one year the whole world would be united and prosperity would be of astronomical levels to everyone - equivalent of every single person wining a million dollars or more. (more in the long run) by the way I am over 21, im 37 almost. and I have not drank alcohol since November 27 '2010.... so don't think this is a crazy talk.

 

This is pure unadulterated anti-semitism. The Right have it absolutely right that the Left have become desensitized to anti-semitism. What has this got to do with my Jewish cousins, who are left of centre, raised as Catholics, and nonethless rightly proud of their Jewish heritage?

To define these people primarily as Jews in relation to disreputable behaviour is disgusting. Talking about "Jews" and "the Jews" in the way that you do is a very ugly piece of hatespeech. The actions of Israeli nationalist and extremists are reprehensible. It calls for strong words. But not any strong words. You have to choose these words properly and avoid racism and bigotry yourself. You have failed. It is quite appropriate to liken this sort of behaviour with the early crimes of the German Nazi party. That is no big thing. Why should Jews not have thugs and criminals amongst them as much as any other religion or race? This is the poison of nationalism. It may also have certain dangers and so it may possibly descend into further atrocity. All extreme nationalism has such dangers. There are many things to say to condemn it. But not the filth you have posted.

When you liken these Jews to Nazis in this sweeping brutal way, you are suggesting the equivalence of these actions with the actions of the Einsatzgruppen or those who operated the death camps. That is an obscenity which speaks of monumental ignorance of the horrors of the Holocaust. To be cavalier about such things is an act of anti-semitism. There is no remote comparison. Your post is hateful and hurtful and an act of Holocaust minimization, which is very close to Holocaust denial. If you think that what is happening on the West Bank is equivalent to what happened in Poland or Slovakia or Belorus or the Ukraine or the Baltic States then you seriously need to do some reading. Is this Auschwitz, Majdanek or even Theresienstadt? Is this even as bad as the pogroms that murdered hundreds of thousands in the USSR? There is simply no excuse for such ignorant malice. It is disgusting and I expect better from you.

You get a lot of things right. On this one you have gone badly, badly wrong. Just because most of the supporters of Israel on here are ideologically neo-Nazis who would exterminate Palestinians at the drop of a hat, does not mean that you have to engage in anti-semitic filth to promote more stupid PF tribalism.

 

Holy (*)(*)(*)(*).... you need to check yourself into a hospital.

 

This guy is the next POTUS the way it is looking right now! Give him a Fox News platform and Sarah Palin as a running mate and he's home and dry.

 

According to liberals like yourself, you need to check yourself into a hospital even when you get a peekaboo sitting on a toilet. did you ever get a peekaboo syndrome while trying to relieve yourself? you can be stuck in there for hours it's also a good excuse to miss work.

 

If I became POTUS, Fox News propaganda crew and Sarah Palin types would be in in guantanamo within a year, and they would stay there permanently. Neocons CREATED thrash, I would clean up thrash in no time. Neocons SPENT money, I would wipe off the debt to those lousy investors who lent criminals money by telling them to (*)(*)(*)(*) off or be blown away. and those who would accuse me of being Nazi Hitler I would put them on live television shows where my own people would be asking them questions and they would look like retards for the simple fact that they would have no answers for any of the questions.

 

It's amazing how steady conservatives are in spending on fighting old friends: Saddam, Osama, Hussein, Obama, Russians, Iraqis, Pakis, Afghans... steady in screwups.

 

I see the Jews are now determined to invade yet more Palestinian land just because UNESCO admitted Palestine to its membership.

Israel is behaving like Hitler's Germany. First the Sudetenland, then Czechoslovakia, then Poland.

All in the name of providing living space for a bunch of criminals. Who were eventually convicted and hanged for war crimes.

 

Those AskeNAZI Jews living up to thier name.

FACT: Germany only had 5000 Jews before the start of WW2.

 

Well someone bumped the thread so I am going to bump my post. This is bang on, though I say it myself and deserves a response if anyone on here from any side prefers serious discussion over tribal childishness.

 

Both sides are not "instigating".. Israel has been taking land, water and human rights by force of arms steadily for well over 60 years.

 

Complete nonsense. Syria, Jordan and Lebanon (or the other Arab States, for that matter) never accepted Israel's sovereignty, and the exact same language that was used in their war efforts in 1948 were used again in 1967:

Arab League Secretary General Azzam Pasha, in 1948: "[t]his will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades."

Egypt’s government-controlled Voice of the Arabs radio station mimicked this language, announcing that "the sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence." Two days later, Syrian Defense Minister Hafez Assad declared: "I, as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation."

http://www.sixdaywar.org/content/causes.asp

Jordan’s King Hussein admitted before the United Nations General Assembly shortly after the war, "Today’s war is not a new war but part of the old war," which he said would continue until Arab demands were met (Associated Press, Lighting Out of Israel, 156).

Oh yes: I'm quite sure you'll provide us transcripts.

Egypt blocked the Suez Canal and the Tiran Straits in violation of a treaty that they signed, and in direct declaration of war. The USSR played a large role in focusing Arab States not on each other, but on Israel. It is no surprise that your ideology is largely captured by the USSR. Can you deny this?

Nassar's decision to re-establish Egypt as the pre-eminent Arab State was the actual flame that ignited the 6 Day War.

Why don't you like facts?

 

Wow! Israel should be huge by now!



Oh. Wait.

 

Before the Suez crisis Eisenhower had agreed to finance the construction of the Aswan Dam.. israel didn't like the US getting cozy with Egypt so they ran Operation Susannah to kill Americans in Cairo and blame the Egyptians.. It was better known as the Lavon Affair.

Eisenhower withdrew his financial support, the Soviets were making noise like they would step in..

Nasser nationalized the canal to use the tarifs to fund the Aswan.

BTW.. the vast majority of Palestinians had no radios or electricity in 1948..

There terror was spread by word of mouth from village to village when the Zionists began clearing their villages and demanding they leave in 1947.

 

Are Jews becoming even more like the Nazis?

'Jews' are not becoming anything: it is an old and respectable religion, while ex-Jews are some of the most interesting people on earth. Zionists don't have to become nazis - that's what they always were, born of racist German nationalism and from Hitler learning only to murder those who are not of the Master Race. They are ths scum of the earth, and the only wonder is that the American politicians grovel to them as they do.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Rahman_Hassan_Azzam

Arab League: 1945-1952


In 1945, Azzam was selected to be the first Secretary General of the Arab League. One of Azzam's first acts as secretary-general was to condemn anti-Jewish rioting in Egypt of November 2–3, 1945 during which Jewish and other non-Muslim owned shops were destroyed and the Ashkenazi synagogue in Cairo's Muski quarter was set aflame.

On March 2, 1946, in an address to The Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry into the Problems of European Jewry and Palestine, Azzam explained the Arab League’s attitude towards the Palestine question and rejected the Zionist claim to Palestine:

Our brother has gone to Europe and to the West and come back something else. He has come back with a totally different conception of things, West and not Eastern. That doesn’t mean that we are necessarily quarreling with anyone who comes from the West.

But the Jew, our old cousin, coming back with imperialistic ideas, with materialistic ideas, with reactionary or revolutionary ideas and trying to implement them first by British pressure and then by American pressure, and then by terrorism on his own part – he is not the old cousin and we do not extend to him a very good welcome.

The Zionist, the new Jew, wants to dominate and he pretends that he has got a particular civilizing mission with which he returns to a backward, degenerate race in order to put the elements of progress into an area which wants no progress.

Well, that has been the pretension of every power that wanted to colonize and aimed at domination. The excuse has always been that the people are backward and that he has got a human mission to put them forward.

The Arabs simply stand and say NO. We are not reactionary and we are not backward. Even if we are ignorant, the difference between ignorance and knowledge is ten years in school. We are a living, vitally strong nation, we are in our renaissance; we are producing as many children as any nation in the world. We still have our brains. We have a heritage of civilization and of spiritual life. We are not going to allow ourselves to be controlled either by great nations or small nations or dispersed nations. (Richard H.S. Crossman, Palestine Mission: A Personal Record, NY, Harper & Brothers, 1947, pp. 109-110)"

On May 11, 1948 Azzam warned the Egyptian government that owing to public pressure and strategic issues it would be difficult for Arab leaders to avoid intervention in the Palestine War, and that Egypt could find itself isolated if it did not act in concert with its neighbors. Azzam believed that King Abdullah of Jordan had decided to move his forces into Palestine on 15 May regardless of what the other Arabs did and would occupy the Arab part of Palestine whilst blaming other Arab states for failure.

King Farouk of Egypt resolved to contain Abdullah and prevent him from gaining further influence and power in the Arab arena.

One day after the State of Israel declared itself as an independent nation (May 14, 194, Lebanese, Syrian, Iraqi, Egyptian, and Transjordanian troops, supported by Saudi and Yemenite troops, attacked the nascent Jewish state, triggering the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. On that day, Azzam is said to have declared: "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades".[33][34] However, Joffe and Romirowsky report that this "cannot be confirmed from cited sources".[35] Benny Morris, who had previously quoted it in his books, refrained from using it in his book 1948 "after discovering that its pedigree is dubious".[

However, in Fall 2011, David Barnett and Efraim Karsh published an article in the Middle East Quarterly showing that the quotation is authentic, having been definitively traced to the Oct. 11, 1947 issue of the Egyptian newspaper Akhbar al_yom.

Six days later, however, Azzam told reporters "We are fighting for an Arab Palestine. Whatever the outcome the Arabs will stick to their offer of equal citizenship for Jews in Arab Palestine and let them be as Jewish as they like. In areas where they predominate they will have complete autonomy."[

 

Since when were the Russians "Old friends"? Beforeee the cold war?

 

WWII. Apparently.

 

The history is interesting.

But the modern facts are that the Israelis are on a campaign of conquest and are using failures by some Arab states to recognise Israel as a reason to justify their predations on Palestinians.

All with the help of the US.

The comparison with the Nazis is a valid one.

 

Again. It's about time you distinguished between the disgusting racism of the OP you posted and a criticism of a government's foreign policy. But your refusal to properly debate this just indicates how low you have sunk with this thread.

The comparison with Nazis is an anti-semitic, racist and hateful one. It really is odious and to continue with it is a vile and hateful act of Holocvaust denial. Your accusation minimizes the Holocaust and the experience of European jewry. In that it implicates - as Jews - my English cousins who have never even been to Israel, it is an objectively racist accusation. That's a very straightforward analysis which requires little intelligence to understand. It is a nasty stinking turd of an OP and follow up, pure and simple.

Jews are like Nazis primarily in that they belong to the species homo sapiens. If some Jews did some bad things then apparently you think that is enough to liken them to Nazis. At best this is lazy thinking and at worst (which I am now thinking is the right interpretation) this is born from an intense and vile hatred of Jews, a visceral anti-semitism. Israelis (not "Jews") could be more closely compared with the British as they built their empire, or the American pioneers treatment of native Americans, or the Chinese in Xinjiang or Llasa seeking territory and empire today, than with the Third Reich.

Where are the modern Einstazgruppen in your comparison? The gas vans or the ditches that Palestinians have to dig before they are shot - in their thousands, as they fall into the pit? Or the gas chambers systematically murdering millions? Or the villages where the whole populations have been burned to death in the local church? Or the other minority groups like the Rroma that distinguishes the Third Reich as an ideological criminal cabal? Or the medical experiments on children? These were the essential characteristics which differentiated the Third Reich from the other warmongering powers in history. These are the essentials of what "Nazi" means. Show me how arabs are barred from holding government office, based on their race, and cannot practice as doctors, or teachers etc.. You might find that a bit difficult in Israel as arab MPs sit in the Knesset. The Third Reich didn't even have a parliament.

Your accusation is a form of Holocaust denial. It is a neo Nazi act. If you look at what real neo nazis do today, right now, it is to minimize the Holocaust like this and blame the victim. You are playing to a present day neo Nazi agenda. You are collaborating with the most unspeakable filth in our society today by posting this vile poison. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

You view the comparison with Nazis as 'hateful" only because it involves Jews in Israel.

In your book, that makes it anti-semitic and a Holocaust denial.

Of course it is nothing of the sort. If pygmies or Inuits were doing what the Israelis were doing, I doubt you would so indignant at my condemnation of them.

In my book, the Israelis do not get a free pass simply because they are Jews.

If anything is "odious", it is what they are doing to the Palestinians.

 

Zionists are "scum"? They are Nazis? Surely this is no more than ignorance?

You mean people like Theodor Hertzl, the father of Zionism, is a Nazi?

So easily you condemn. Scum? Nazis?

All civilizations (right now Israel is definitely one) can learn from the Nazi experience about the danger of allowing the rule of law to be replaced with the brutal force of the State. But to describe an ideology like Zionism, which emerged from a refugee people who had been persecuted like no other people before it, for centuries, as the same as German National Socialism... well this is an act of intellectual thuggery at best and evil prejudice at worst.

Cease and desist, please. Learn your history and stop making vile and poisonous comparisons.

 

I am not "describing an ideology".

I am describing the brutal and murderous confiscation of land the Palestinians own and the Israelis do not.

That is the new lebenstraum.