Lies and Deciet of the Climate reform movement.

But moaning about how the "deniers" are keeping you from doing anything is exactly what you are doing.

What "better ways" have you have come up with?

Yes, it is called physics. There is a limit to how much each type of technology can store. Flywheels are limited to material strength, capacitors to the breakdown voltage and the dielectric constant of the insulator, batteries to the amount of molecules you convert between states, etc.

For example, I calculated a 500HP minute flywheel (for a hybrid car) would weigh 200lbs (not including the safety shroud) and need to spin 10,000RPM. 500HP minutes is about 6.5KW hr.

What people don't appreciate is the amount of energy we each use on a daily basis.

The most effective way to store energy is . . . . . . . . coal and oil.

Why is that? The actions of "deniers", or, the inefficiency of government?

Is it manufacturing dissent that prevents nuclear power plants, or hydro projects? Our local community just shut down a solar farm for environmental reasons. Why can't you put blame where it rightfully below, party loyalty?

What I am asking is to lose the religious furvor. You are beating your head against the wall with nothing to show for it but venom for your fellow man.

Expend your time and effort in something productive.

 

When i was 5 years old, i learned that Humans exhale CO2 (carbon dioxide) and Plants inhale CO2 (carbon dioxide). Then plants exhale O2 (oxygen).



When you got a little older did you learn that plants also make sugar and cellulose from CO2 and H2O also.

Did you not also learn that this CO2 in the form of compressed cellulose was locked up in coal and oil for millions of years?

And that that CO2 was in the ground and not the air?
And that man has cut down millions of acres of forests all over the earth?

Do you not understand that a tree does not "breath" when it is in the form of lumber in houses or wood in furniture? Or when it is rotten or burned in a fire?


Now...cut down the trees and burn all the coal and oil you want...but common sense should tell you that harm will come from this.

And the harm that will come from it is a warmer earth.

 

And blaming that all on the "deniers" will make it all better?

Stopping all CO2 production, resulting in the starvation of almost 6 billion people will make it all better?

Inceasing the cost of energy, with 50% of that increase going to the government to spend on a 1000 more Solyndra's will make it all better?

What is your point?

 

It might help if we can shame them enough. Then maybe they'd stop blocking action on what needs to be done.

Ooooo. Lying for Jesus. Let's all put up strawmen and knock them down to show everyone how strong we are.

Another strawman. We don't increase the cost of energy. We increase the cost of fossil fuels. All other forms of energy are exempt. Then we let the market work its magic and poof! no more problem.

 

What action are "deniers" blocking?

Lying? ROTFL.

CO2 has a long latency, how long do you have to zero out CO2 production?

This is the strawman. What do you have that is on cost parity with coal and especially oil?

 

Are you living under a rock? Don't you read the papers? Or maybe you don't. I think they ought to make it a requirement that people who come on this board have to get their news from at least one source other than Fox. I mean, everybody ought to have some minimal knowledge of what's going on in this country.

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2...s-offer-sweeping-plan-to-block-climate-rules-

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2...a-climate-rules-despite-dem-pleas-for-a-delay

http://www.albionmonitor.com/0806a/senateglobalwarmingstall2.html

http://www.platts.com/RSSFeedDetailedNews/RSSFeed/ElectricPower/6253369

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...-claims-gop-can-block-any-climate-change-bill

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2007/06/21/14149/conservatives-block-landmark-renewables-law/

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2009/06/03/43696/inhofe-epa-delay/

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2008/03/07/202426/blocking-state-leadership-on-global-warming/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jan/07/republicans-climate-change

... and I could go on. And on. and on and on and on and on.

Yeah, claiming the other side wants 6 billion people to starve: that's a lie. In fact, it's a Big Lie, direct from the Mein Kampf playbook.

The longer we wait, the worse it gets. We should have started 5 years ago. We should start now. And we would have, but for the Republicans and their paymasters in Big Oil.

In the first place, you clearly don't know what a strawman is. In the second place, everything would beat coal and oil on price, if coal and oil were priced correctly. That's the point.

 

How perfect. More lies and deceit from the AGW crowd in a thread titled "Lies and deceit of the Climate reform movement." Do you really expect people to believe that Lord Monkton is just a character played by Sacha Baron Cohen?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley

 

You want to outlaw CO2, then have the audacity to make the next statement - ROTFL

Which of us is using the big lie?

What is your alternative to fossil fuel?

What stopped you from starting 5 years ago? The fact that you didn't get all the money so the government could "invest" in another 1000 Solyndra's?

The government is every bit as corrput on the Democratic side.

In the first place, you clearly don't know what a strawman is. In the second place, everything would beat coal and oil on price, if coal and oil were priced correctly. That's the point.[/QUOTE]What is the real price of coal and oil?

What is your alternative for oil, no matter the price?

 

of course, if everybody thought like you, we'd still be waiting for the wheel to be invented.

However, deniers are a problem that also needs to be addressed.

their influence has spread and created doubts in the minds of the public over the validity of the science (which is proven).

this leads to a lack of public support for real initiatives, and public investment in strategies to address climate change.

not important in China - where the government IS moving ahead - but very important in democracies - especially those which have the largest per capita carbon footprint.

 

It is far more plausible than him being a real person.

I mean - some weird looking dude with googly eyes who pretends he is a member of the House of Lords - but isn't, and who goes around lecturing about science and calling people Nazis when he has no scientific qualifications!?!?!

Who can believe that is real!?!? That is just insane. No - he is just a comedian taking the (*)(*)(*)(*). Has to be.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w833cAs9EN0"]The Hamster Wheel: Lord Monckton - YouTube[/ame]

 

Deniers are a problem that also needs to be addressed? Yes, yes they are! We need to kill the infidels! Slay the unbelievers!

The validity of the science (which is proven)? Oh yes, everyone knows that the science is proven, that is why there is a consensus of scientists and their leftist socialist followers who keep telling us that the AGW conspiracy theory is a proven fact. Except for those scientists and other deniers who don't believe (who are a problem that needs to be addressed) who don't believe which means there really is no consensus because consensus means unanimity and there is no unanimity because we have deniers, which proves that anyone who says that the science is proven or there is a consensus is a liar.

This leads to a lack of public support? You bet it does. And without it the hoax that is the global warming conspiracy theory cannot be imposed on the masses in the form of higher taxes, higher energy costs, more regulations and prohibitive laws which restrict our freedoms. What are you to do?

 

yes they are.

people who deliberately defraud the public should be regarded as criminals.

ignorant people who follow these people should be educated - and no, I don't mean indoctrinated - I mean taught to think for themsleves which - despite their claims - they are clearly not doing.

 

Thanks for the rep, PN - but I am well aware of what indoctrination is.

I meant education - not indoctrination.

 

I completely 100% agree with you. Which is why i created this thread. to expose the criminals. Im doing a really good job of it too, since no one new has stepped in for your defense. One day, you and your posse will be brought to justice.

PN. You made a 110% valid point that puts the nail in the coffin for the AGW crowd... When there are A huge number of "Deniers." People make Al Gore the Butt of most record snowfall jokes. Its amazing to me how these "deniers" immediately smelled the BS that Al Gore was droping, but a select few people fell for the hoax, and are now thoroughly convinced that the world is melting...
AMAZING!!!

 

It is most definately not education. You got it right the first time. It most certainly is indoctrination when kids are taught things that have proven to be false. Politicians, and corporations teaching our children a psuedo science is not education, its brainwashing. This is why I hope Dr. Paul gets elected in my country. He will Abolish the Department of Indoctrination (aka Education) and put an end to this brainwashing. He's also abolishing Department of Energy, So GE cant push the Climate Change down our throats any more. America is through with your games. The end for your criminal empire is near.

 

Yeah, I did screw up that last post now that I read it back, but you get the idea. What I love about the AGW conspiracy nuts is they seem to think that their view is a sure thing and are therefore completely flabergasted at the thought of anyone disagreeing with them. They don't need to argue their point because it is a foregone conclusion, they merely only need to tell you that you are wrong, because they are obviously right because it has already been proven to be true (even though it hasn't).

 

all you are doing is exposing yourself as a conspiracy theorist - or possibly someone with less integrity than the average conspiracy theorist.

 

sweetie - education is not indoctrination.

that you think Al Gore is so significant in this debate, and that you think its all about the US just demonstrates that you either don't know what you are talking about, or have a few wallabies loose in the top paddock.

I take back what I said re integrity - you are obviously genuine -

genuinely fooled by the denialists.

 

No, he is BETTER than Borat

didn't read your own link did you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley

But best of all is that Monckton LIES and has been caught out at it time and time and time again

In fact he is the one of the best examples of why you cannot trust the denialists
http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/200...he-continuing-saga-of-a-practicer-of-fiction/
http://www.durangobill.com/GwdLiars/GwdLiarsChristopherMonckton.html
http://juniusonukip.blogspot.com/2011/06/ukip-mad-monckton.html

To link to just a few - it seems the only reason why the Brits let him keep speaking in public is for the entertainment value - they do love to laugh at the pompously cognitively deficient

 

What I love about denialists is how they project what they are doing onto everyone else

Got an explanation for why the world is warming yet?

 

LOL. You guys kill me with the name calling. The proof is in the pudding, The majority of the world laughs at Global warming people on a daily basis. I Know i laugh when we got record snowfall last winter in my hometown. It hardly ever snowed there ever. then boom, it got like a foot of snow. I laughed even harder when i heard on the news about Atlanta, Georgia getting 2 feet of snow... And places setting record LOW temps, just last year...

Its all just a giant conspiracy theory though. you are right about that...

 

Ooooh! Look! More lies from Monckton - this time he is claiming authorship of a "peer reviewed paper" on climate science
http://climatecrocks.com/2011/08/10/more-monckton-lies-deranged-national-press-club-claims/

 

Oooops! More lies from Monckton - this time he claiming to be a Nobel Laureate (Talk about prize envy)

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/lord-monckton-nobel-prize/

 

No - people are completely flabergasted at the thought of anyone disagreeing with the vast majority of the published scientific literature

They don't need to argue their point because it is contained within the vast majority of the published scientific literature

... the reasons are contained within the vast majority of the published scientific literature

Neither has gravity, evolution, electromagnetics, plate tectonics etc etc etc. And they never will be. That is how science works

Proofs exist only in mathematics and logic, not in science...The knowledge that there is no such thing as a scientific proof should give you a very easy way to tell real scientists from hacks and wannabes. Real scientists never use the words “scientific proofs,” because they know no such thing exists. Anyone who uses the words “proof,” “prove” and “proven” in their discussion of science is not a real scientist.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...sconceptions-about-science-i-scientific-proof



Sorry - but the opinions of the sad handful of retards still clinging to their Lord Monkton videos are no longer required.


And did you know that Lord Monckon was actually Ali G? Who'd have thought?
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w833cAs9EN0"]The Hamster Wheel: Lord Monckton - YouTube[/ame]

 

Why yes I do. You see, the global temps have been changing for millions of years. It goes up and it goes down. Ten thousand years ago, we had an Ice Age. Now we are warming. In ten thousand years, we'll have another Ice Age. Do you deny that the Earth would be warming whether or not we were here?