GA Judge rules against birthers - Uses Indiana case law, not Supreme Court's!!

That's a lie. The Supreme Court of the US ruled NBC means born of two citizen parents. Why would a judge in georgia ignore that and instead cite Indiana case law???

 

You are mistaken...

Natural born or native born does NOT require two citizen parents.

This Indianna claim is more birther garbage.

Read the LAW, not that crackpot Lee Donofrio.

 

Just out of curiosity, did the right-wingers dislike Clinton because of his skin color?

It seems to be quite common with left-wing hate mongers to blame conservatives' disdain for Obama's policies solely on race. It's like they aren't happy unless they are fueling racial prejudice.

 

The light is beginning to dawn...

"Citizen" may be natural born or native born or naturalized.. but "naturalized" citizens cannot be President..

 

Native Born AND Naturalized cannot be President. The Constitution is very clear that you have to be a "Natural Born Citizen" in order to become President. Native Born does NOT make you Natural Born.

 

Only Naturalized citizens can't be president..

Natural born and Native born have identical rights.

 

The Constitution is very clear on the matter... Article 2 Section 1 states you must be a "Natural Born Citizen" in order to become President.

 

Read the law.

Natural-born citizen

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough.

As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

 

Actually I'm not aware of a single such instance, bearing in mind that from a constitutional perspective court rulings are not federal law.

 

What is an "American" name?

Obama's father's nationality is of no importance.

And he attended three years of grammar school in Indonesia.

Americans should know more about their own citizenship law.

 

What you are quoting there is NOT the Law. It is someone's interpretation of the Law. No where in the 14th Amendment does it say anything about "Natural Born".

Not sure if you are simply mistaken or outright trying to deceive, but what you are posting there is NOT the Law as it is written.

 

Its NOT an interpretation..

Go to any US lawschool website...

I think you learned the basics about US citizenship in grammar school from a poor teacher.

 

I am able to READ the Constitution for myself, just as you should be able to...

So please, SHOW me in the Constitution itself where the 14th Amendment says ANYTHING about "Natural Born", I'll wait here.

You can't, because it doesn't.

 

Read the whole thing.............

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

 

This is the text of the 14th Amendment...

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

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No where does it say anything about Natural Born, right?

 

Citizenship is NOT Natural Born.

Not sure what you don't get about that?

 

Native born and natural born are the exact same thing just different terms for them.

Birthers are morons.

 

Read the whole thing. You are stopping short.


Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.

Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

 

Native Born is being born on the soil.

Natural Born is being born to Citizen Parents AND being born on the soil.

 

Citizen at Birth does NOT make you a Natural Born Citizen, no matter how much you wish it did.

Otherwise, it would not matter WHERE Obama was born, since his mother gave him Citizenship at birth, no matter where it happened.

You understand that, right?

 

LOLOL.. You are trying to rewrite US law..

 

Still at it, eh, kid?
This thread is both a failure as well as irrelevant now, since the judge ruled against the Birthers. Obama stays on the ballot.
Someone just urinated on your "wildfire".
What else you got?

 

When did the Supreme Court every make such a ruling? Site the case or provide a link........

 

They didn't... Its another birther falsehood.

 

I notice you didn't answer the question...

Again, if simply being born a Citizen made you "Natural Born" why would it matter where Obama was born?

his mother gave him U.S. Citizenship, at birth, so if he were born in Africa why would he not be considered Natural Born, in your mind?