EWTN Sues U.S. Government To Stop Contraception Mandate

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by SupremusVeritas, Feb 9, 2012.

  1. SupremusVeritas

    SupremusVeritas New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    204
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Irondale, AL (EWTN) – EWTN Global Catholic Network filed a lawsuit February 9 in U.S. District Court in Birmingham, Alabama against the Department of Health & Human Services, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, and other government agencies seeking to stop the imposition of the contraception mandate as well as asking the court for a declaratory judgment that the mandate is unconstitutional. EWTN is the first Catholic organization to file suit since the final HHS rules were published by the Obama administration on January 20, 2012.

    http://www.ewtn.com/hhsmandate/

    EWTN (a Catholic TV Network started by a U.S. Nun years ago) has had many, including a Cardinal and US Bishops, try to shut it down, and God has always protected it.

    Obama, you're screwed!
     
  2. fiddlerdave

    fiddlerdave Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2010
    Messages:
    19,083
    Likes Received:
    2,706
    Trophy Points:
    113
    A MAJORITY of Catholics favor the contraception rules from HHS.

    And the organisation that is filing suit to stop the rules has been the target of shutdown efforts by a Cardinal and US Bishops ?

    The Catholics are in such disarray they don;t even know if they are coming or going, and a vast majority of the hierarchy who demand these absurd rules aren't even obeyed by Catholics!

    I dare say Obama will be doing just fine. Its the Catholic power hierarchy that is screwed.
     
  3. TheHat

    TheHat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2008
    Messages:
    20,931
    Likes Received:
    179
    Trophy Points:
    63
    There is no disarray on this.

    Your trying to superimpose what individuals want with what the doctrine actually teaches.

    Those individuals wanting BC are not going to change the Doctrine of the Catholic Church. That is just a liberals wet dream.

    The Catholics and plenty of other Christian religions are about to flex some muscle. And liberals aren't going to like it.
     
  4. SupremusVeritas

    SupremusVeritas New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    204
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    0
    1. Stating a falsehood in capital letters doesn't make it true.

    2. Yes EWTN stayed on the side of the Holy See, and not the Progressive brainwashed U.S. Bishops and Cardinals in the USA. So the only disarray was a failed attempt by Progressives to attack the Church.

    Ironically, the same time these Proggies were doing their thing was when the child abuse happened. Coincidental? Hmmm...
     
  5. Defengar

    Defengar New Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2011
    Messages:
    6,891
    Likes Received:
    100
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The bible says when and how it is appropriate to have an abortion!
    ----------------------------

    Then the LORD said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

    16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the LORD cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

    “‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

    23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the LORD and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[c] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

    29 “‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the LORD and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’”
    ------------------
    Thats right! If you suspect your wife of cheating on you. Take her to a priest and the priest will tell god of your suspicion by throwing holy water on your gal. Then god will look into it and if your suspicions are correct! God will abort of the child!

    God is an abortion doctor!
     
  6. DonGlock26

    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2010
    Messages:
    47,159
    Likes Received:
    1,179
    Trophy Points:
    0


    Obama is caught between political common sense and the Left's hatred of Catholics. He's (*)(*)(*)(*)ed either way now. LOL!

    _
     
  7. Kranes56

    Kranes56 Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2011
    Messages:
    29,311
    Likes Received:
    4,187
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    I"m conflicted over this. On one side, it goes against religious beliefs in a private clinic, on the other side, public health goes before religion. Descions, descions.
     
  8. SupremusVeritas

    SupremusVeritas New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    204
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Let me make your decision easy for you. In no way does this effect public health. One is still free to by BC at their local pharmacy, gas station, etc.
     
  9. Veni-Vidi-Feces

    Veni-Vidi-Feces New Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2010
    Messages:
    4,594
    Likes Received:
    40
    Trophy Points:
    0
    As a catholic that never thought he'd see a former hitler youth and his underlings take a stand over this issue, my opinion is who cares? I mean it is simple to recognize that religion and government need to coexist and sometimes (like when a church opens up secular institutions like hospitals and schools) a church may be asked to follow basic employment law.
     
  10. SupremusVeritas

    SupremusVeritas New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    204
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Can't follow a law that compel one to commit a mortal sin. Every Catholic knows this.
     
  11. Veni-Vidi-Feces

    Veni-Vidi-Feces New Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2010
    Messages:
    4,594
    Likes Received:
    40
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Well don't run an institution that is subject to equal opportunity employment laws then.

    And nowhere is anyone suggesting anyone be forced/compelled to use a service, just that they are offered to employees of the institution. To my understanding we are not talking about abortion, but contraception.
     
  12. Black Monarch

    Black Monarch New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2011
    Messages:
    1,213
    Likes Received:
    55
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I'm with EWTN on this issue, and I'm not even religious, much less Catholic.
     
  13. SupremusVeritas

    SupremusVeritas New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    204
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    0
    It's employee mandated health insurance. This isn't just a hospital or clinic thing, like the Proggie press is lying about, it's all its employees in the USA.

    What even makes this worse, is waivers have been given out to unions and what not. So it's not like Obama hasn't given waivers on this already or anything.

    This literally is a full blown attack, by the current federal government, on religious freedom.
     
  14. fiddlerdave

    fiddlerdave Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2010
    Messages:
    19,083
    Likes Received:
    2,706
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The USA is here to for its CITIZENS, not here to help enforce the doctrines of the Catholic Church on its errant subjects.

    If the Church can't stop its followers from obtaining contraception, it is not the USA's job to twist its laws to make the hierarchy's control of its followers easier.

    The CHURCH is NOT required to buy contraception. But if someone wants to operate businesses, then they need to follow employment law.

    I suppose next the Catholic Church will not want to pay local taxes because the public schools serves hamburgers on their "fish day" i.e. Friday, or whatever other goofy thing their fat and wealthy priests decide a sucker, er ah, follower needs to do to go to heaven.
     
  15. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    86,664
    Likes Received:
    17,636
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The Catholics are not in this alone.

    Any Christian who cares about the Constitution will support the Catholics as will non-Christians.

    This is not about the Catholics its about all Americans.
     
  16. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2008
    Messages:
    66,166
    Likes Received:
    349
    Trophy Points:
    0
    This can be settle easily. Let the people vote on whether they believe birth control should be covered. When they agree that it should be, the anti birth control rabble can go back into their hidey holes.

    Quit telling people what they can and cannot do. No one is forcing you to do anything, so get over it.
     
  17. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    86,664
    Likes Received:
    17,636
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Exactly.

    The only problem for libs is that it's Obama who is dictating to Christians what to do.
     
  18. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2008
    Messages:
    66,166
    Likes Received:
    349
    Trophy Points:
    0
    There is justification to allow birth control. Most people use it, so why not cover it?
     
  19. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    86,664
    Likes Received:
    17,636
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There is no justification to allow Obama to violate the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.

    What you and other libs are saying is that dictators are OK as long as they are benevolent dictators.

    You could not be more wrong.
     
  20. SupremusVeritas

    SupremusVeritas New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    204
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The Catholic Church is not a country club. So people can decide if they want this, and if they do, leave the Church and join another religion, or none at all.

    Besides, as I've pointed out, if Obama hadn't handed out waivers already, your point might be valid, but since he has, this is pure anti-Catholic bigotry on his part.
     
  21. Veni-Vidi-Feces

    Veni-Vidi-Feces New Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2010
    Messages:
    4,594
    Likes Received:
    40
    Trophy Points:
    0
    How is what a health insurance policy covers violating the 1st amendment? You do realize that no one has to use the coverage for things they don't agree with? It is just flat wrong to try and shoehorn this into a 1st amendment issue. No one is suggesting that people morally opposed to birth control have to take it.

    It would be like saying because the government does have any laws against coveting your neighbors wife, the government is violating christians 1st amendment rights.
     
  22. SupremusVeritas

    SupremusVeritas New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    204
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    0
    People can buy their own birth control, the Catholic Church doesn't, and will not, pay for it. That is the real 1st Amendment issue!
     
  23. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    86,664
    Likes Received:
    17,636
    Trophy Points:
    113
    SupremusVeritas has already spelled it out for you.

    If Obama wants everyone to have the morning after pill he can misuse taxpayer money and give it to them.

    But requiring Catholics to violate their religious beliefs and do his dirtywork for him is a violation of the Constitution.
     
  24. WertyFArmer

    WertyFArmer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2010
    Messages:
    1,760
    Likes Received:
    35
    Trophy Points:
    48
    SCOTUS has already ruled 9 to zero that religious institutions do not have to adhere to all equal opportunity employment laws.
     
  25. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,857
    Likes Received:
    14,940
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Another example of government put its nose where it doesn't belong. Contraceptions is simply not the role of government. Let's cut the government in half for starters. That will probably improve things quite a lot.
     

Share This Page