EWTN Sues U.S. Government To Stop Contraception Mandate

When the employment is directly a function of the religion. Running a hospital is not running a church, so there is a difference.

 

I believe the question isn't the direct payment for birth control by the church, but rather when the church hires someone to sweep the floors in the HOSPITAL or other secular institution the church runs, if that person has access to an insurance plan that would cover birth control should that person need birth control.

We all agree including me that if the church is hiring people to preform duties that are for the operation of the church they do not have to provide said insurance, but when the church enters the secular functions they have to follow the same rules as any other secular business operator.

 

Hey! I got a crazy idea!

Want to solve all this in 1 big swoop????

How about get insurance out from under your employer and make individuals buy their own God (*)(*)(*)(*) insurance?

Problem solved. And it actually solves some other ones to boot!

 

The church promotes its faith through those hospitals. They also provide the start-up money and cover any shortfalls the hospital takes. If people want coverage that includes birth control, they can work at a secular hospital or buy their own insurance.

It is wrong to force any group to purchase something that runs contrary to their moral beliefs.

 

I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church considers using birth control to be a sin. Thus buying insurance that covers birth control is using people's tithe money to pay for sin.

 

If I was said janitor at:

A Jehovah Witness church, I wouldn't expect the 4th of July off.

A Scientology church(?) I wouldn't expect them to cover ADD meds.

You get the idea.

Obama (or whomever came up with this idiotic idea) has now committed political suicide so it really is a moot point now. Time for those in the Dem party to get behind the GOP candidate of their liking (Newt is an excellent choice, since the GOP hardliners hate him anyway).

 

Looks like they wasted their money.

LOL.

The nuns are happy.

 

Okay so when the Satanists open up their institutions they can offer abortion only medical insurance?

 

If you worked for their churches NO, that is not the argument. If you worked for the scientologists cafe, or the jehovah witness coffee shop you would (well not get the 4th off, but get time and a half).

Maybe the line is not at hospital but there is a line. A religion cant open a full time car wash and expect not to follow labor law.

 

Of course, the Catholic Church would like to ban contraceptives for EVERYBODY, all the time.

So they see no problem with imposing their morality on society.

 

Yeah.. Imagine that. The Catholics want to impose a mandate by law if possible and can't do it for some reason. Do you wonder why? What principle is governing the opposition? Is it a REAL principle? Would that same exact principle apply to the current mandate being debated now?

 

BC is allowed. What law prohibits it anywhere?

 

If they wanted. It would just make it tough to get employees.

 

As one who is raised and is still catholic that has never been my impression. The catholic hierarchy are the only catholics with a real bug in their hindquarters about contraception. They could care less if non catholics use contraception, in fact they probably prefer it as it would mean non catholic numbers would shrink while catholics numbers grow. The catholic church would be quite content if only catholics didn't use birth control, as that makes more catholics.

Catholics are a pretty live and let live religion when it comes to proselytizing their religion or projecting their beliefs on other religions.

 

Really? If only what you are saying were true....

Here is one example of their OFFICIAL policy concerning birth control laws:

http://www.population-security.org/swom-98-02.htm

What happens when politicians do not obey the Pope? Why, they AUTOMATICALLY go to hell!

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=32830

 

"Official Policy" I never suggested that the leadership did not rail against BC, but considering 98% of the catholic lay people used BC at some point in their lives it would seem the message isn't really being listened to by the flock.

I really doubt if sex came up at a dinner party with some catholics they wouldn't bat an eye at someone suggesting contraception.

 

This should be a slam dunk for the church...BoBo simply does not have the power to demand any industry eat costs...Nor does the government have the power to violate the 1st.

 

Nonsense the government bestows the 1st amendment upon its citizens, of course the government has the right to decide where the line between citizen, church, government, and responsibility lie in a vague issue that has an impact on all three.

IDC how big a following the ancient Aztec religion gets our government will not allow human sacrifice, and that is a 1st amendment issue I am happy to see the Aztec church lose on. Shoot IDK if there are many places where it would be completely legal to sacrifice anything larger than a chicken in a religious ceremony?

 

I do not think you understand the purpose of the first amendment

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

The church is not a democracy. It is a set of rules and dogma that the individual members are expected to follow. The individuals have the power to follow those rules or not but their obedience has no effect at all on the dogma in question...

If 100% of the non catholic clergy disobeyed the doctrine, it simpler does not matter as the church itself sets the rules, not polling.

 

My cholesterol medicine is a public health issue. Why do I not get that 'free'?

 

BUZZZZ!!! Wrong! Not a month ago the Supremes decided 9-0 that the church did not have to obey equal opportunity laws that conflicted with their religious tenets...

 

Another small problem...It seems the Southern Baptists, all 15,000,000, self insure. So, saying the church does not have to pay, the insurance company can, in the case of the Baptists, means nothing at all...But heck, who cares.

 

That would be the courts and case law, not BoBo the magnificent.

 

Where did you ever get the idea the Catholic Church was a Democratic Institution where what a majority of the adherents are in favor of matters? Don't you understand there are some institutions in the world/country that Democracy simply doesn't apply?

Irrelavent to the first amendment issues at stake here.

The Private Sins of Catholics has nothing to do with the offical position of the Church itself. If the Catholic Adherents wish to sin, that is between them and God. The Church does not have to condone it.

Obama won't be judging this case, if necessary the Supreme Court will and chances are good, just like every other liberal cause that has gone in front of the court, it will fail and die an ignomious UnConstitutional death.

 

And again that decision was only involving employees that were directly responsible for the running of the CHURCH, not a hospital.

BTW I do not disagree with that decision.