Obama Blames The Internet For Job Losses

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  1. AllAmerican

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    Internet subscription, forex transactions, web hosting, stock trading, affiliate marketing, Military & army, technology services are all via the internet.

    I think internet is the biggest job providing industry in the world.
     
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    Anikdote Well-Known Member

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    You don't have to think it, it's a fact. The internet has done more to create jobs and proliferate information than any single invention in the history of everything.

    To be honest though, the site your sourcing for this leaves a lot to be desired and exemplifies some of the worst web design I've ever seen in my life, it's like a time machine that takes me to a site made in the 90's.
     
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    Not that I don't doubt this may be true, but I'd be interested to see a credible source of this. While I have no doubt that many jobs have been created by the internet, many have been lost as well. For every person Amazon hired to fill orders on-line, I would suspect there was one job lost in the physical stores that have reduced sales.
     
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    Can you please stop spamming the forum with links to this site?
     
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    True. Many stores have lost a lot of business to the Internet. The US post office has really suffered with lose of mail. But the delivery companies have picket up on the packages.

    Of course the Internet has caused a lot of harm too, I am not talking about jobs.
     
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    I'll try to oblige, I think you're failing to take into account the number of jobs, not working directly for web based companies, but the innumerable amount of jobs that the internet directly supports.

    Source

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    Let's not forget that the internet facilitates smart phones and app developers:

    Source

    Even if we take into account jobs "destroyed by piracy" (which is total BS, but that' s a topic for another thread), there's still a massive net gain.

    I won't include a quote from here since their data came from my first sources study.


    Even if some jobs are lost, this is what Schumpeter would refer to as creative destruction, a healthy process that prevents an economy from stagnating.
    Source
     
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    The Post Office is DOWN 25% since 2006.Not exactly world shaking.
     
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    Our Luddite in Chief, in action. With the way he complains about the internet, self-check out stations in supermarkets, ATM machines, and the like, it really makes you question his "progressive" credentials.
     
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    I'd be curious to know what harm you attribute to the internet?

    I think you mean to assign blame to the people using it, not to the communication medium itself. It'd be like blaming telephones for threatening phone calls or telemarketers.
     
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    So we have moved from it being Bush's fault to Al Gores? :eyepopping:
     
  12. AllAmerican

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    Internet was invented by US army in year 1969. So Obama is blaming USA army for job losses.
     
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    Closures, Consolidations, Suspensions: Stories, Analysis, Opinion





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    It hits the fan: The Postal Service can't wait to close the plants





    February 23, 2012

    The Postal Service has announced its decisions on the mail processing plants it's been studying for consolidation. The APWU has the list of which plants are closing and which will remain open here.

    The list shows 264 plants that were being studied. The Postal Service determined that 223 could be consolidated, entirely or in part (a few workers might remain). Some 35 were disapproved for consolidation and will remain open; another six are still under study.

    The Postal Service says 40 of the facilities slated for closure did not even go through an AMP study process because they were annexes or mail processing operations within "customer service facilties," which can be closed without a study. While no public meeting is required for these plants, the Postal Service is inviting customers to provide feedback. There's more information on the USPS FAQ page.

    (If you have more information, like when you've heard a plant might close or the reasons for the decision, please hit the contact link at the top and send a note.)

    The closings could begin as soon as May 19, a few days after the moratorium ends on May 15. It’s going to be a very stressful week, to say the least, and the Washington Post tells us that the Postal Service is increasing security at the plants. (It's good to know that the consolidation plan is already generating extra work for some sectors of the workforce.)

    There are about 150,000 workers in the network of processing plants, and over half of them may be affected by the closings. As many as 35,000 positions will eventually be eliminated by the consolidation plan, mostly through “attrition” — workers quitting or retiring because they can’t move the family or don’t want to make a long commute (like 50 miles — or more). The USPS FAQ sheet says about 30,000 will be career employees, and the other 5,000 will be non-career posittions.

    The Postal Service isn’t waiting to hear what the Postal Regulatory Commission (PRC) has to say about the Network Rationalization plan. The PRC’s Advisory Opinion is due out in late summer, probably August or September, but the Postal Service plans to get started on the consolidations as early as May.

    It’s disconcerting that the Postal Service is in such a rush to begin closing the plants, especially considering that it has only itself to blame for when the Advisory Opinion will be ready. The Postal Service could have submitted the Request for an Opinion four months earlier.


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    Luddites protested against mechanisation which if fact cause thousands of their jobs and damage to their livelihood.

    Technology increases efficiency and productivity. But that does not mean that it does not have negative consequences in terms of displacement of jobs and livelihood.

    Obama definitely has a point.
     
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    Transcript: Vice President Gore on CNN's 'Late Edition'


    BLITZER: I want to get to some of the substance of domestic and international issues in a minute, but let's just wrap up a little bit of the politics right now.

    Why should Democrats, looking at the Democratic nomination process, support you instead of Bill Bradley, a friend of yours, a former colleague in the Senate? What do you have to bring to this that he doesn't necessarily bring to this process?

    GORE: Well, I will be offering -- I'll be offering my vision when my campaign begins. And it will be comprehensive and sweeping. And I hope that it will be compelling enough to draw people toward it. I feel that it will be.

    But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.

    The origins of the story:

    Transcript: Vice President Gore on CNN's 'Late Edition' BLITZER: I want to get to some of the

    http://sethf.com/gore/
     
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    He should have walked down to the economics department at Harvard and asked someone to give him a crash course on creative destruction. It's in our interest to shed low/no skill jobs in place of ones that require some skills, those jobs are more productive and create other jobs to support them.

    So yea, the lady that scans your groceries may not be there anymore, but instead it takes a technician to install and maintain the machine, several programmers to create the code that runs the machines, and even more to provide long term support for the code. It'd be foolish to view it as a net loss.
     
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    Fraud. Tricking people into giving information on bank accounts, store accounts etc. I got one today.


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    Anikdote Well-Known Member

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    Ok, but would you not agree that swindlers have been around since the dawn of time?

    This is just a new marketplace for the same dirty tricks. The phone introduced telemarketing scams, prior to that the post office delivered mail enticing folks into joining pyramid schemes. I just find it wrong to assign blame to the delivery mechanism and not the perpetrator.
     
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    I wrote them this back.

    You really have to be kidding. I would never give that information over to a phone I didn't already have the number. Besides I can update it on the computer. Find another sucker to play it on, you'll get nothing from me. Try getting a job instead of stealing people's money.


    People have been raped and murdered by people coming to their home buying things, or people looking for companionship.

    You people need to get up on what's going on on the Internet. Also the news.
     
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    I'd recommend not opening those mail messages in the future. It's possible to embed malicious img files within the text of the message that at the very least get some info such as your location.

    Send to spam, mark as spam, your mail provider aggregates these addresses and can better filter them in the future with your assistance.
     
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    They sure have, but the Internet makes it easier to find people. Once you sign a petition that you don't know who started it, they can get hundreds or thousands of potential victims in one shot. Names and E-mail.

    I have got it from people who pretend to be from the bank asking to upgrade my info by filling out something or calling. That's easy because I don't deal with that bank.


    Never give out any information to people who say they are from a bank, store, etc. and want you to fill out a form they sent, or a telephone number they call you on or provide to you. Always look for an (S) next to a http in the search engine. That means it's secure.
     
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    Just as easy as it was once upon a time to find someones name+phone number. And really, Name+email+phone number, you still don't have much, only enough to be obnoxious and send out the phishing attempts, the rest of the scheme requires action by the victim.

    In either case, I'd still argue that even if you were correct, the amount of jobs and money and production generated by it severely outweigh the costs of this type of crime.
     
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    No, he doesn't have a point. For every job that is "displaced" by these machines, another is created. Companies need to hire people to make these machines, maintain and service them, sell them, install them, etc.
     
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    It's just another Obama lie.

    Obama really wants jobs to disappear and they are in the US, based on his policies.

    Al Cheapskate Gore claimed to have created millions of jobs when he created the internet, years ago anyhow.

    These democrat politicians can't keep their lies in sync.
     
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    Anyone else notice that everything wrong in the world Obama blames America and american customs?

    then he apologizes for things.
     

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