What Is Insanity?

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  1. yes/no

    yes/no New Member

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    Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.


    Congress has passed 7 amnesties for illegal aliens, starting in 1986.

    1. Immigration and Reform Control Act (IRCA), 1986: A blanket amnesty for some 2.7 million illegal aliens
    2. Section 245(i) Amnesty, 1994: A temporary rolling amnesty for 578,000 illegal aliens
    3. Section 245(i) Extension Amnesty, 1997: An extension of the rolling amnesty created in 1994
    4. Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA) Amnesty, 1997: An amnesty for close to one million illegal aliens from Central America
    5. Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act Amnesty (HRIFA), 1998: An amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti
    6. Late Amnesty, 2000: An amnesty for some illegal aliens who claim they should have been amnestied under the 1986 IRCA amnesty, an estimated 400,000 illegal aliens
    7. LIFE Act Amnesty, 2000: A reinstatement of the rolling Section 245(i) amnesty, an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens.

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  2. Watchman

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    Excellent!!!

    No Amnesty For Illegals!!! It's Our Taxes That Are Paying For Them!!!

    How about this one:

    Blindly following and supporting a leader that is completely hell bent on destroying the U.S. Constitution and America as we know it, and calling that freedom. That's left wing, fascist, progressive liberalism for you.

    Now that's what I call INSANITY.
     
  3. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually, insanity is thinking that the US wasn't built and made great by illegal immigrants.
    Or maybe that's just stupidity and bigotry.
    The people who came to America since the Jamestown colonists were essentially illegal immigrants, not to mention largely poor, oppressed, and uneducated, so whatever greatness this country achieved is mostly due to all the illegal immigrants that came here.
    The Statue of Liberty is a testament to what really made us great and, dare I say it, exceptional.
    It's only lately that the bigots and selfish ingrates whose relatives managed to get here earlier want to turn America into a gated community and turn their backs on what America has always stood for.
    Immigrants have always been a positive influence in the US, and they continue to be so, regardless of what the bigots and jingoists want to claim.
     
  4. ThinkingMan

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    I applaud you for finally including the word "illegal" in that overused "we are all immigrants" line. That's cute that you're trying to make the early settlers of America into illegals but we are talking about illegal in the sense to the United States.

    I don't care how much immigrants give you butterflies in your stomach but the fact is that we cannot sustain these numbers of undocumented humans coming in. We cannot do it. 30 million plus people within 30 years is NOT GOOD. Water is good, but floods are bad. Get it?
     
  5. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nonsense.
    Floods are also essential for maintaining and replenishing the capacity and vitality of an ecosystem. Or did you miss that in school?

    What has hurt us much more in the last 30 years, to use your time frame, is the rise of the modern right-wing movement, midwifed by Nixon and Reagan, and the growing intolerance, polarization, bigotry and hate that fuels their ideology.
    Any ideology based on ignorance, fear and hate is fatal in the long run.

    Immigrants have been the lifeblood of this nation since its inception.
    Their contributions have infused the US with its strength and they have made the economic pie larger through their hard work and sacrifice.

    Most of them behave as better Americans than the inbred, uneducated, paranoid, bigoted trailer trash who claim to be Americans just because they were born here.

    We should welcome immigrants, not demonize them.
     
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    Pred Well-Known Member

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    We do welcome immigrants. You know the ones who don't break the law, come over and establish themselves professionally, assimilate and become Americans. We demonize skilless, lawless, irresponsible people who murder, rape, sell drugs, fill our prisons, use our resources, destroy our property values, don't learn our language and generally bring blight to EVERY area they reside in. These are facts that can't be disputed.

    I'll break it down to 4 year old kiddie language...skilled, smart people who want live along side you and me...GOOD. Thieves who want to destroy the country and turn it into a place like where they came from...BAD!!

    Illegals are NOT the same as immigrants. NOT wanting illegals makes us like every other country on earth. but liberals are brain damaged and apparently can't tell the difference:) I think every liberal who wants to open the borders should be forced to open their homes and house at least 3 illegals. Let's see how quickly they change their tune.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The UK and Ireland hope a new cooperation deal will help crack down on illegal immigration.

    The UK Borders Agency says the deal could create "considerable savings" on removing foreign nationals with no right to stay.

    Ultimately there could be joint entry standards and "enhanced electronic border systems".

    The new system will help identify those with no right to enter the so-called common travel area - comprising the UK, Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man - before they arrive at the border.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16262547

    Oh-Oh... where's the love for illegals on your li'l island? Clean up your own house, before giving advice to us how to deal with our problem, mate. :frustrated:
     
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    Immigrants, not illegals.
     
  9. Yosh Shmenge

    Yosh Shmenge New Member

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    Yes. As a one man band for this issue that's certainly what you put out.
    Illegal immigration is a net drain on our economy and because we've become host to tens of millions of parasites, our society (schools, hospitals and legal system) have all become severely over burdened.

    How many guys with a lawn mower, leaf blower an extended family and no real valued skills or education do we need in this country? Practically zero!
    It's time to end our national Wal Mart syndrome masquerading as immigration policy and seal the border and slowly let the illegals deport themselves.
     
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    So you don't think the millions of immigrants (legal, by the way) who entered the country from the turn of the century to about 1930 exerted a serious downward pressure on wages? Economically it was great for corporations, so maybe that's what you meant about them making the economic pie larger.
     
  11. dadoalex

    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You will not begin to solve the problem until:

    1. You stop demonizing the people; and
    2. Understand that the presence of illegals is not the problem.

    The problem is greed and the willingness, driven by that greed, of businessmen to break the law and help others break the law.

    I'm reminded of the joke that begins with....

    "Does this dress make my butt look big?"
     
  12. Yosh Shmenge

    Yosh Shmenge New Member

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    You can't stop some greedy money grubbing clown from selling out his country so he can make a few bucks!
    You can make it nearly impossible for a cheap, uneducated labor pool to enter our country. All we lack is the political will.
     
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    No you can't

    For as long as you choose to deal with the symptom (illegal immigration) the problem (illegal hiring) will continue to cause the symptom to grow,

    If you build a fence 10 feet high what is to stop them from getting an 11 foot ladder?
    If you make the fence to high to climb what is to stop them from tunneling under it?
    If you make it to deep to tunnel under what is to stop them from going through it?

    The iterations are endless and you can chase your tail forever but they are convenient to hate.

    However, if there are no jobs for them when they get here, why would they come?

    You're trying, again, to solve the wrong problem.
     
  14. Yosh Shmenge

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    Well I simply disagree that you can't, by and large, eliminate all illegal immigration.
    Climb over a thirty foot tall fence or tunnel thirty feet under it, you still are standing there on foot and absolutely at the mercy of ICE agents once you get here (IF politicians want to stop illegal immigration).
    This talk that illegal immigration is unstoppable is nonsense.

    But stopping illegal immigration at the border is the problem you can stop. You can't change human nature. Unless you employ an e-verify type system nationally and make it stick, enforcing the law at the employers end is impractical.
    This is a chicken/egg argument. Without real political will neither approach is going to work (though both could work).
     
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    Illegals do not come here for the wonderful travel experience. they come for the jobs.

    If you eliminate their ability to find work by making the risk of hiring illegals higher than the benefit businesses will stop hiring. When businesses stop hiring the need for 30 foot fences disappears and the combination of personnel and technology will be sufficient to minimize the problem.
     
  16. Yosh Shmenge

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    I agree although the magnet of free educations and medical treatment (and so on) must be remembered too. There are many workers that bring their families along too.
    Why is America responsible for their well being?

    Right, but who has done this? Are you waiting for George Bush or Barry Obama to actually enforce our laws? Please....

    We don't need thirty foot fences. Just a commitment from the government to send Mexicans, tramping through the Arizona desert (now an ecological holocaust), back to where they came from.
     
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    Unproductive genius?
     
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    Answering everything with "yes" or "no" is insanity. :)
     
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    Ever hear of reaching a saturation point? That a sponge can only hold a limited amount of water? That as many time as you may want to say yes...inevitably, eventually you must start saying no?
     
  20. Defengar

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    This is a Puck cartoons from the 1890's
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    It is unfortunate that the same hate that was shown towards eastern European, Irish, and catholic (not to mention Chinese) immigrants is in resurgence today, now against immigrants from Mexico.
     
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    The Crow didn't want the Souix invading their land..I doubt that the ZuLu relished the Ubangi crossing over into their territory either. Ain't nuthin' new in the world.
     
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    Tyranny is absolute insanity. By causing chaos and insane things they reach their goals to finally have their (next) empire (empires are always insane and destructive) Insane television, commercials, computer games, movies, reporters, politicians. Look what they have thrown and throw at you for madness and insanity over the last few decades. Their way of social enineering.
    Insanity is the opposite of civilisation. Listen to lots of msm and infowars, lots of insanity and fear mongering, and people believe lots of it. People should look in the mirror and think, why do I believe that propaganda, and were it leads to (the next insane empire that only leads to disaster and destruction)
    You wonder why people are going to vote in this insane historical period (millions are going to make an historical error for the fourth time in Europe, and in the USA for the second time if a majority vote on their 'leader')
     
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    It is unfortunate that the same push for mass non-white immigration into white countries is happening in all white countries and only white countries. Nobody is pushing Asian countries to accept massive non-Asian immigration and to offer the new arrivals affirmative action benefits that discriminate against the locals. Nobody is doing it in Africs either. Only whites are supposed to make way for others.
     
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    This isn't a white country. It just has a surplus of them.
     
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    America isn't a white country... Also, most of asia and africa are third world lawless hell holes no one would ever want to immigrate to, so they don't need those laws...
     

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