Graves of British troops smashed and desecrated by Libyan Islamists

there is so much crazy stuff here but I will address just a portion of it

Stoning
Very few Muslim countries stone anyone. It was an old Jewish practice. Remember Jesus PBUH in the bible and the stoning story?
The few countries that do are the 'friends' of the USA like Saudi and Pakistan so explain that one to me. The punishment for adultery is very clear in the Quran and it is not stoning. In fact you will find that very few Muslim countries lash anyone for adultery either. It's not in their laws or in their courts but check out 'your friends of USA laws'.

Rape
There has to be 4 witnesses to a rape. That is to ensure that no innocent man is ever accused of it. A good thing? yes? In my country any man found guilty of rape is hanged. Maybe a good thing that there needs to be 4 witnesses of good character then eh? In addition if it can't be proven by those 4 witnesses of good character then how can some woman be put to death for a rape that has not been proven? You make no sense.
What you will find though is the 'friends of the USA' countries do stone and behead people but there are very few of those countries.

Honour killings

Let me educate the man from Florida.
Honour killings are not religious but cultural. They go back to Jewish times in the bible. They were very common in Christian Europe. It has absolutely nothing to do with Islam but it is about culture and honour they say although nothing about it is honourable in my view. Hindus do it, Jews do it, Christians do it, men in Florida do it who are athiests because their homour has been affected by their wives running off with some guy.......yes that's also an honour killing! his ego and name is as he thinks affected so he kills his spouse and in the USA his children too usually and the other man and maybe a family eating in a restaurant in a mall of shoppers, or a class of schoolkids in college campus. You have no idea at all what you are talking about and you sound like a crazy fanatic yourself no different to the other crazy fanatics you talk of. In fact the scary thing is you think you are sane by this kind of talk but to people reading this you are quite mad in the head.

oh and about beheading
Why Are Hindu Honor Killings Rising in India?

The English and French were masters of beheading

In fact they even beheaded their queens!
Were they barbarians?
Is their history not filled with every type of torture imaginable?
Your ancestors Florida man?
The rack, the hang draw and quarter? the guilottine, the burning of people for not following a certain doctrine all done by the Christian popes, pulling and breaking teeth and thumb screws and God knows what other kinds of Christian barbaric practice was done in the name of religion by the pope and sanctioned by the church.

Your memory and knowledge is lacking but thats not surprising as you are American we we forgive your ignorance

Here go educate yourself a bit


Why Are Hindu Honor Killings Rising in India?

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1991195,00.html#ixzz1nZfzbon9

 

Here
wrap your head around some of this before talking about the Quran


Judaisms list of punishments according to their book the Torah



Punishment by Sekila (stoning)

* Intercourse between a man and his mother.
* Intercourse between a man and his father's wife (not necessarily his mother).
* Intercourse between a man and his daughter in law.
* Intercourse with another man's wife from the first stage of marriage.
* Intercourse between two men.
* Bestiality.
* Cursing the name of God in God's name.
* Idol Worship.
* Giving one's progeny to Molech. (child sacrifice)
* Necromantic Sorcery.
* Pythonic Sorcery.
* Attempting to convince another to worship idols.
* Instigating a community to worship idols.
* Witchcraft.
* Violating the Sabbath.
* Cursing one's own parent.
* A stubborn and rebellious son.

Punishment by Serefah (burning)

* The daughter of a priest who completed the second stage of marriage commits adultery.
* Intercourse between a man and his daughter.
* Intercourse between a man and his daughter's daughter.
* Intercourse between a man and his son's daughter.
* Intercourse between a man and his wife's daughter (not necessarily his own daughter).
* Intercourse between a man and his wife's daughter's daughter.
* Intercourse between a man and his wife's son's daughter.
* Intercourse between a man and his mother in law.
* Intercourse between a man and his mother in law's mother.
* Intercourse between a man and his father in law's mother.

Punishment by Hereg (beheading)

* Unlawful premeditated murder.
* Being a member of a city that has gone astray.

Punishment by Chenek (strangulation)

* Committing adultery with another man's wife, where it doesn't fall under the above criteria.
* Wounding one's own parent.
* Kidnapping another member of Israel.
* Prophesizing falsely.
* Prophesizing in the name of other deities.
* A sage who is guilty of insubordination in front of the grand court in the Chamber of the Hewn Stone.

 

When the last time the Israelis stoned, burned, beheaded or strangled someone because of a religious or legal transgression?

The Islamofacists seem to have taken over those "arts."

 

I am enrolling for Jewish membership this evening .
Much more interesting . More pro-active .
And I will get more chances of mixing with intelligent , smart and wealthy people .
This Torah guy seems the business .

 

Only a fool would believe that the US government deliberately sanctions the burining of copies of the Quran. The US military has no interest in demonizing muslims. It makes there job harder if a few medieval morons go on the rampage after one of these incidents. What is described in Afghanistan is something that might have happened in fifteenth century Europe or a pogrom in nineteenth century Russia. It is barbarism, no more, no less. The biggest obstacle to peace is the dominance of the type of islamic belief in these areas that is condoning of this type of barbarism. Other muslims should be unequivocally condemning it in the same way that Christians condemn religious violence in Ireland or Africa amongst Christians.

But this wasn't in Afghanistan. It was in Libya.

Just for a minute let's try and understand the British/American perspective.

This is in Benghazi where recently Libyans rose up against a brutal dictator called Qadaffi.

In this struggle they called for the support of Western journalists to publicize their plight and Western airpower to protect their struggle from the superior military capability of the dictator.

Western journalists risked their lives covering the story.

Western (British, American, French and Italian as well as Qatari) airmen risked their lives flying sorties in support of the citizens of Benghazi.

No citizens of Bengazhi were attacked by Western troops. Bombs were dropped at the request of Libyan opponents of Qaddafi. Benhazhi was protected against massacre by the West.

Now people in Bengazhi are descrating the graves of people who dies fighting against Nazi Germany.

I do not believe that islam is a religion based on hatred. Why are you doing your best with your posts here to demonstrate that your Allah is far from merciful or loving but is in fact a bloodthirsty monster with no sense of justice whose servants are somehow justified in this barbarism? This is not my view of God (Allah), why is it yours?

 

Ask about their lost cost membership for the intellectually challenged.

 

Abu, this is true. Honour killings, stonings, mutilations. These are carried out in the name of islam. I don't say that this is mainstream islam, but where is the outrage in islamic countries at this behaviour?

We do have Christian fundamentalists who dream of being able to stone, behead, mutilate etc.. But we secularists have them under control. The Bible and the Torah, are like the Quran horrific documents that document instructions to terrorize, maim and abuse. They can only now be interpreted as appropriate rules for primitive communities under external attack. If the three Abrahamic faiths take their scriptures as literal instruction there will be only a world of blood.

Islam needs a reformation. It needs to embrace the Enlightenment. It has had periods of enlightenment in its past. It needs to rediscover them. Somehow it needs to accommodate secularism and realize that real religious belief can only flourish when people have freedom and do not live in a coerced society.

 

If you and George are planning to come , I would appreciate 24 hours notice .

 

2 points

Are Israelis in Israel for religious reasons or not? Is it the Jews 'chosen land' or not?

Second
no need for stoning babies or beheading women and children when white phosphorus and depleted uranium works as well if not better

 

But Benghazi was not all of Libya.

Benghazi was a salafist stronghold.

The people as you say from Benghazi are desecrating graves.
You 'liberated' them.
You liberated salafist ideals without knowing what it was apparently then and now cry when you see what they are doing.

Islam is not a religion based on hatred. Many would say that Salafism is not islamic at all. Why then would the USA suuport the Salafist ideology of Saudi which we now see spreading all over our region?

 

No

these atrocities are carried out by people who have no clue about Islam.
It is not as you say mainstream Islam.

The problem is you just have to read here about the ignorance of people who think it is as an example.

Islam doesn't need any reformation at all.

It needs the fanatics and radicals who are ignorant to stop saying everything is in the name of Islam when it is not.

You say no one is outraged.

Well this is untrue.

Just about any normal person would be about chopping someones head off.
Just as they would be about gassing someone or injecting them.
Who gives me that right to take a life?

The problem is Islam has some real lunatics with crazy ideology and they say this sharia when it is not.

As one example.

These lunatics say women should be totally covered with only eyes showing. Yes your friends in Saudi as one example. Why your president is friends with this regime? the head choppers?
Whilst we in Egypt see this influence growing like a cancer here now.
Yet!!! our Islamic school the Al Azhar has stated loud and clear it has nothing to do with Islam. The burkha is NOT Islamic. In fact the head of the biggest most important Islamic religious school in the world said in a girls school for the girls to take it off as it was not ISLAMIC. But did you read that in your news? I bet you didn't.

The problem we have right now is this salafist wahabi crazy nonsense spreading and it will get worse but the strange thing is it's all pouring out of Saudi and your governments will say nothing and they do nothing to stop it's scholars opening schools for it in your countries because why????? OIL!

They target the ignorant and uneducated. They are now focusing on beards for policemen in parliament as we speak instead of economy and jobs and security. All this pouring out of and being funded by and on TV channels from Saudi your friend.

Makes you wonder what is really going on.

 

The Salafists in your country just finished second in your parliamentary elections with a whopping 27% of the vote. If Salafism concerns you, you'd better concern yourself with your own back yard instead of the fanciful notion that Americans are doing the dawa thing for Wahhabists and Salafists.

The fact is, Egypt has been fertile ground for Salafism and Salafist Islamists for a very long time. This hardly qualifies as some new development, and it obviously has widespread support amongst your nation's Muslims...

 

Wouldn't it be wonderful if it was just oil? Wouldn't that be delightfully simple?

As much as I would like to see Wahhabist, Salafist and Muslim Brotherhood legacy groups from your part of the world leave their Old World atavisms back in the Dar al Islam, we don't ban backwards, fundamentalist Muslims from practicing or preaching their Medieval beliefs, regardless of whether they're from an oil-exporting state or not. It's a matter of religious freedom - something codified in the First Amendment of our Constitution - not a matter of oil. There's also the matter of multicultural political-correctness that has scared many from confronting Wahhabism, etc., out of the fear of being labeled an "Islamophobe" by the Ikhwan's legacy groups in this country (most notably CAIR) and their useful idiots on the Left (ex., the NY Times). You don't need to look any further than the uproar over "The Third Jihad" video in New York City to see what I'm talking about.

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If only it was as simple as oil...

 

You do realise they ask you to drop your pants first, as a precursor.

 

roughly half of BP is owned = by US share holders , similar to the number of americans BP employs.

btw - French + Italians have a larger chunk of Libya;s oil concessions. - not counting Russia + China.


Go do yr homework - (wink)



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I dont hold with book burning - reminds me of Hitlers brainless Nazi stunts .

The current Quran burning was malisciously calculated to insult + offend knowing that some muslims would retaliate in some way. .


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Perhaps your rage should be directed at them, not people exercising their freedoms in legal and peaceful manner.

 

That would be a violation of his dhimma pact...

 

To every action there's a reaction , in this instance both brainless.


Typical savage Islamic behavior. It is what it is. But, what is foolish is for progressives to insist that the West allow these savages into Western nations as immigrants. There will be no end of problems with them.


Hmmm. That says more abt you then abt them.

Two wrongs dont make a right , however , how would you describe the following desecration : Are the French also savages ?

"French Muslim war graves defaced


Scene of the incident
Vandals have desecrated 148 Muslim graves in France's biggest WWI cemetery, officials have said.

A pig's head was hung from one headstone and slogans insulting Islam and France's Muslim justice minister were daubed on other graves.

President Nicolas Sarkozy condemned the attack as a "hateful act" and the "most inadmissible kind of racism".

About 78,000 colonial subjects of France, including many Muslims from North Africa, died in the war.



The Notre Dame de Lorette war cemetery, near Arras in northern France, is on the site of some of WWI's largest battles.

About 100 police officers have been sent to the cemetery to investigate the incident.

President Sarkozy has called for the rapid detention and punishment of those responsible.

In a similar attack in April 2007, Nazi slogans and swastikas were painted on about 50 graves in the Muslim section of the cemetery.

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Rage ? rage ? what rage ?

 

You are brainwashed and you fail in your attempt to excuse islam as a compassionate religion or a peaceful religion.

Stoning is mentioned in the Torah, but who practices stoning today? Only Muslim countries.

Rape - how convenient that 4 men must witness a rape to prevent a man from being falsely accused. How about the raped woman? Too bad for her, she gets raped but can't prove it, she then gets accused of adultery, and is then executed. But thats OK, but she's just a muslim woman, no big deal.

Honor killings - yes its cultural, exactly my point. Its cultural to islamic society. Show me some cases of non-muslim Americans doing honor killings.

Beheading - you have to go back centuries to find examples of beheadings in the West, and then it was the guilotine. Who does beheadings today? Islamic countries, frequently with a hand held knife. Look at the beheading videos, the murderers are smiling and singing and having a gay old time reveling in the pain and anguish they are causing.

Jewish punishment - you list beheading, strangulation, but who does that today? Not Jews. Only muslims. Only islam exists in the Dark Ages. If it wasn't for oil, islam would still be in the Dark Ages.

 

Hundreds of thousands? Prove it.

As I wrote, if you don't want US troops in your country, don't fly planes into our buildings.

Act like a respectful country to your neighbors, and you'll be fine. Live and let live. But thats not what islam is about. With islam its convert or die, you people can't leave people alone, you have to convert or kill the infidel. Thats straight out of your precious POS koran.

 

I am looking forward to that bit .
My success in Jewish supermarkets has been rather mixed-- to be honest .
My parents shaped me with considerable foreskin . I mean foresight .
And this means I can make a pleasantly rounded entry rather than being pointedly thrustful in my approach .
However , many of the Jewish women are rather vulgar when they order me to down size." Ill chop it off " is extremely worrying .