It's on! Worldwide burn Quran/Mohammad day if Iran won't...

I never indicated such, Eadora - not only are you reaching, you're trying to deflect from the specific matter at hand, which does not involve Medieval Christianity and its practitioners. If you want to discuss irrelevant matters of the past, I suggest you do so in the History forum instead of trying to deflect from the Latest World News we are discussing here. I would add that if you suffer from a peculiar form of enissophobia when that criticism is directed towards Muslims, you may want to find something you're more comfortable with discussing.

Evidently, you need someone to explain to you the difference between screaming "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, and someone lawfully exercising their freedom of conscience and speech.

No, what YOU are proposing is that Islamic blasphemy codes should supersede the fundamental human, civil and political rights of every human being on this planet, just as the Organization of Islamic Cooperation is proposing to do in the so-called "Istanbul Process". This outrage against the rights of Man will confer the criminal behavior of violent, intolerant mobs on to people who are lawfully exercising their fundamental human rights.

What YOU and the people promoting the Istanbul Process are proposing is a return to the human rights norms of the Middle Ages, where people were executed for "blasphemy" and "heresy" and subject to the outrages of superstitious mobs.

WAKE UP.

There's nothing funny about the stupidity of Holocaust Denial or any other form of genocide denial (ex. the Armenian Genocide), so I can't blame anyone for lacking a sense of humor about such a thing. However, I don't support those laws, either - at least, not in my country. Given Europe's history, perhaps this is a reasonable consideration, but I don't think stupidity is a criminal offense.

For the record, I've made it clear I won't be participating in any Qur'an burning, nor have I advocated such. Quite to the contrary, I've expressed my position that there are better and more constructive ways to express one's opposition to the beliefs and behavior of the Islamofascists who condemned the Iranian apostate to death for renouncing Islam.

Secondly, burning the Qur'an and criticizing Muhammad and his faith for its intolerance towards those who renounce Islam IS free speech. What you are proposing is that people should abdicate their fundamental human, civil and political rights to the intolerant mobs who seek to deprive Islam's critics of their rights. It's a disingenuous sleight of hand - the intolerant mob seeks to rob the critic of his/her human rights through murder, rioting, property destruction, etc., and then attempts to shift the responsibility for its own criminal behavior on to the critic.

Laughable. Dishonest. Criminal. Not gonna happen.

People who falsely scream "fire!" in theatres are criminals.

Criminals who seek to shift the blame for their own lawlessness on to the law-abiding are criminals, as well. The people who claim otherwise would do well to re-consider their flawed position.

Our rights are not negotiable, Eadora, they won't be relinquished to the dictates of the OIC or the demands of violent mobs who refuse to tolerate the consciences and speech of others. If you've got a problem with that, move to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or Iran where you can relinquish your human rights and live the debased second-class existence of a dhimmi.

May your chains sit lightly upon you...

 

I have proof in my own life. There is evidence of the power of prayer, do not be fooled. However, what we do know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is that this event will lead to the shedding of innocent blood. But you don't care about that. So much for your worthless. inhumane "secular humanist" beliefs.

 

Jones makes another video!
He makes a great point that Obama puts more effort into APPEASING the insane Muslims (letter grovelling to Karzai, even though our troops were trying to get rid of messages written from the enemy on Qurans) than in trying to free an innocent man (Pastor Youcef.)
Obama being a Christian (...or Muslim???) his priorities are not where they should be.
Obama has done absolutely NO condemnation of the over-reaction by Muslims. They are insace, yet he's apologizing.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hkbWu4udmQ"]Dr Terry Jones Demands of Obama - YouTube[/ame]


Your reactions to this?

 

I do not personally feel that Mr. Terry Jones is driven by the holy spirit, by the Biblical scriptures, and by the teachings of Jesus Christ.

 

Not prayer helping OTHERS. Talking to ones self CAN indeed help that particular person by re-affirming what they are focusing (praying) on. But there are better ways.
If you think a prayer came true because you prayed, think again. Cause and effect was likely something ELSE, such as, uh, the stock market in Uganda went up 0.6% that day, or (yes I'm making these up) President Obama was constipated that day, or your next door-neighbor got a wart removed, or....
In other words, it could have BEEN ANYTHING that caused that prayer to come true, but likely was NOT your talking to someone who is not provably there.

We need to study PROPER cause and effect more. It's not easy, I realize.

Never in human history has someone proven that a god exists, so don't assume he does, until someone proves it (they likely will never will....but science will explain more and more and more.)

 

Correct. Mr. Jones is BETTER than Jesus, because Jesus approved of slavery, but I doubt Jones approves of slavery. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT, 1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT, Luke 12:47-48 NLT.)

(I'm not a follower of Jones, except for bringing down Islam, however.)

 

Sorry, but 'we', whoever that might be, is in no position to make arrogant demands of anyone else. That is the tactic of the tyrant and hegemon.

 

I have experienced God. Literally, was put in his presence. I know what I saw and experienced and nothing can change that. No study can unprove that. It is not for the world that these experiences be proven or unproven, but for myself and each and every individual who seeks it, this too will be proven to themselves for themselves. I understand you though, however, you do not understand me. I'm okay with that.

 

My thoughts exactly.

The notion that ANY man is infallible can only call into question the credulity of the people who make such fanciful claims...

 

The Maligancy & Cancer that you speak of here resides within the Heart & Mind
...... of the person who remains Willfully Ignorant of his Unconscious motivations

And who thereby Projects his Vile Hates upon the "other" rather than coming to terms,
.................................................................... dealing with & sublimating the same

It lies with in the Heart & Mind of the person who accepts a Carved in Stone Dogma -
whether Religious, Scientific, or Political, rather than taking the responciblity for his own Spirtituality
A person who sells his soul to some outside authority & no longer allows himself to grow & change




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Causing the shedding of innocents isn't better than Jesus or anyone devotedly following his teachings. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

SCIENCE will explain, someday, if not already, what you saw.

Are you aware of the state right before/after a person sleeps that sometimes leads to hallucinations (that the person doesn't realize are not real)? I forgot what it's called, but I think science has explained that one too.

 

I was not sleeping. I was above the Earth overlooking my body. If/when science attempts to explain it, it will be wrong. You cannot get all of your answers on this Earth. Accept that and respect others lest you be put in your place...

 

Is, say a little Jewish girl that dies at 6 years of age, innocent? Of course, but Jesus is going to see that she BURNS forever, simply because she didn't believe in him. Not her fault, but he's ok with her suffering more than Jesus ever suffered on the cross, and for a much much longer time. Jesus is far less moral than Secular Humanism.

 

Were can I get those 'shrooms?

 

Not even...

Let me explain the lunacy of what you are requesting. You are rejecting Christ, and judging by your posts thus far don't even understand Christianity, meanwhile, you want Christians to follow you in this event when it goes against the teachings that they/we adhere to. Now, think before you

 

Have they tried democracy and personal liberty? It worked for Christianity and Judaism.

 

God is a fair and just God. He judges accordingly.

 

Secular Humanism grows all the time, but I'd bet my life you wouldn't dare try to improve the Quran, even though it calls for death to probably about 4% of the people on this forum (gays.)
Can you try to actually improve the Quran, or whatever religious book you follow, even though it advocates FELONIES?
If you don't, I argue that's intellectual cowardice.

 

Given the popularity and support americans are showing Mr Pastor Terry Jones.

Could he be the next president, the man version of Sarah Palin.

 

John 14:6 (New International Version (NIV)): 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. "
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14:6&version=NIV

She's going to BURN! She didn't go thru Jesus. Jesus is no more moral than Hitler then. She's a 6 year old little girl!

Also, if it was indeed true that you were magically above the earth that would not prove that a specific "god" exists, only that science isn't as good today as it will be in 100, 10000, 10000(??) years when it explains exactly what you experienced.

I used to believe in Jesus too, by the way. But I look at evidence, now.

 

This isn't really about Jones. This is just about people sick of being politically correct with Muslims.

I think most Americans would find Jones annoying or insane if they knew him on a personal level.

 

So surely you realize you and people like you are working to bring about the prophecies in the Bible? Ironically, as you reject the scriptures and attempt to disprove it, you further solidify its message.

 

I agree, but that's why I'm not a Christian.

 

What if I killed every single person on the planet because I myself made a mistake? Innocent bunnies, innocent babies, pet kittens, squirrels....everybody. Would I be moral? NO, even evil Hitler didn't want that, arguably.
But the Christian god did that (except Noah's bunch) in the Bible. So obviously Christianity/Jesus is less moral the even Hitler.