What is the best way to fix once-and-for-all our national health care system?

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  1. James Cessna

    James Cessna New Member

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    Most Americans don't like Obamacare, and they especially don't like the fact it has caused their health care premiums to go up dramatically year-after year since Obama and the Democrats assumed office and passed the onerous provisions of the Affordable Care Act in 2009.

    I believe we can all agree that no one in the USA should be denied health care because of pre-existing conditions. The emergency rooms and county hospitals are fine for the uninsured, but the health care these facilities provide to the poor and indigent are very costly to the average taxpayer. But what if you have something more serious, like heart disease or cancer? The emergency rooms and county hospitals are not designed for situations that require continuous care, and they are ill-equipped to treat these kinds of diseases for the millions of people who are presently uninsured.

    However, there does exist a very easy way to fix our national health care system without going into more tremendous debt like Obamacare, with all its expensive "bells and whistles" and excessive bureaucratic controls, will soon cause us and the rest of the nation to do.

    Here are the best and most acceptable remedies for resolving the high costs and the coverage exclusions of Obamacare.

    (1) Have Health and Human Services under the leadership of Kathleen Sebelius offer a very basic policy that all “underemployed” Americans can afford. Do away with all the "bells and whistles" like Obamacare has foolishly included. These unnecessary "bells and whistles" only serve to drive up the monthly premium costs for the participants.

    (2) Have the states modify their Medicaid programs to provide a very basic policy that all unemployed Americans can easily qualify for. Again, do away with all the "bells and whistles" like Obamacare has foolishly included. These unnecessary "bells and whistles" only serve to drive up the monthly premium costs for the U.S. taxpayers who provide these policies to the poor and indigent in their states.

    (3) Allow all working Americans to buy their health insurance policies across state lines. The present system only allows you to buy policies that are offered by companies within your state. This provision drives up costs by eliminating competition from well-qualified insurance providers that reside in the other states. By the way, this policy is designed by the politicians in Washington to protect the profits of the health insurance companies who have offices in the states they represent. This policy was designed by these congressional politicians for absolutely no other reason than to reward the insurance companies for their large political donations that enable these politicians to remain in office!
     
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    However, there does exist a very easy way to fix our national health care system without going into more tremendous debt like Obamacare, with all its expensive "bells and whistles" and excessive bureaucratic controls, as shown in this illustration, will soon cause us and the rest of the nation to do.
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    The Affordable Care Act (Obamacare)that was passed by one vote in the house by the Democrats is loaded down with a huge new bureaucracy and this is one reason it is so much more expensive than private policies. What you don't pay in additional costs for the new government policies you pay in much higher taxes to subsidize these costs for millions of non-working and low-income Americans. The Democrats’ takeover of health care creates a byzantine network of 159 new federal programs and bureaucracies to make decisions that should be between just the patient and their doctor. It should concern everyone that at the center of this regulatory web is the new CMS chief, Donald Berwick, who has championed rationing and European socialized medicine. "Americans were rightly outraged that this big government bill was rushed through Congress before anyone read or fully understood the bill’s consequences. Republicans and libertarians will fight to repeal this reckless takeover and to ensure health care freedom to American families.”
     
  3. Pred

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    All of that and stop allowing undocumented people with no ID to use emergency rooms like their personal doctor, then walk out without paying a dime. If I was taken to an emergency room, I'd get a bill sent right to my house even if I refused to pay, then my credit would get destroyed if I continued to refuse. Obviously I would never do that, but I'd love to experiment. Someone with no ID can get the exact same care as me, but get away scott free. HUH?? How is that fair at all?

    I remember when we had our second child, a hospital administrator had me on the phone in the room, minutes before my wife was giving birth confirming who I was with my insurance company. No big deal, but what if simply said, "FU", I'm not telling you who I am and hung up. What are they going to do, walk all the nurses out of the room and let my wife give birth on her own? Kick us out of the hospital? Nope. Instead, I paid a few $1000 deductible. A few rooms over there was a whole family who couldn't speak a word of English. The teenage mother, the "father", who knows how many brothers or cousins, ect packed into that room. I'm willing to bet, NOT legal(south Florida). They were in the hospital 2 days right along side us. Wonder what their bill was?
     
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    Here is why the Democrates cater time and time again to the Hispanic vote.

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    Either do away with for profit insurance or the government should compete with private insurers and offer lower cost plans...Let someone choose what they want...A private company jacking up prices only for profits? Or a government option that makes a modest profit?
     
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    What utter garbage!

    Obamacare just passed last year! And very little takes effect until the year after next.

    AND healthcare premiums were rising MASSIVELY year after year PRIOR to Obama!

    Is there ANY LIE the Right Wing won't manufacture in Obama hate?
     
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    STEP ONE in 'fixing' our health care system, would to be for everyone to learn that health insurance is NOT health care.
    Step oneA would be to prove our health CARE system is broken.

    Our health insurance IS broken, but that is not our health CARE.

    Simple way to fix our health INSURANCE? Make it insurance again instead of the "payor of convenience," that it was forced into being by politicians. The same people that are "trying" to "fix" our health CARE system with health INSURANCE patches.

    We are trying to FIX a problem that we have not yet accurately identified as a problem. IS heath CARE a problem?

    Is health INSURANCE a problem?

    Is the combination of both a, or, THE problem?

    Are politicians messing in private business the problem?

    That last should be examined the closest since we KNOW that political interference in private industry is swamped with unintended consequences.
     
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    One fundamental flaw in your solution above is that no universal health care program is going to work for the middle and lower incomes and the unemployed, etc. if they need to buy or pay for something.

    I don't care if we're talking $75 per month...tens of millions of Americans will not pay this premium for health care.

    The place to start is to ask 'what is the reason for providing full health care for all Americans'?

    Once you can answer this question, then you can move forward to design and fund an effective health care program...
     
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    I think every registered Democrat has a job waiting for them on that chart.


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    red states rule New Member Past Donor

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    But the TAXES in Obamacare HAVE started. That is how libs can say Obamacare is not a budget buster the first 10 years

    Libs have 10 years of taxes and only 6 years of "benefits". But the next 10 years, Obamacare explodes the deficit

    Yes premiums are going up thanks to the tax increases and the mandates such as ins companies MUST offer coverage to "children" up to age 26. I guess Obama and the libs expected the ins companies to offer that coverage for free eh?

    Is there any truth to Obamacare libs will not ignore?
     
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    Small question about point number three. As I understand it, most states do not allow insurance to be sold across state lines because insurance companies can simply move to the state that has the most lax laws and policies regarding what is and what is not covered. This is good for the insurance company and possibly the person buying the insurance. However, the state may have legitimate reasons for making laws that certain conditions or treatments must be covered. If people were able to circumvent those laws by purchasing insurance out of state, how would the state recover financial or other losses incurred because of the laws not being followed?
     
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    Better and easier.......free at the point of need regardless of colour or creed!

    Simple...but has one draw back.......there is no profit for those wishing to live like a parasite on other peoples backs!

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    The best way is too completly overhaul it.

    Basic care provided by the gouvernement that deals with most of the regular problems , fixed prices, anything beyond that private insurance .

    Combines the best of both worlds, universal health care up to a point anyone who wants more -> private health care with competition.

    Of course this will never be accepted by private sector (as they loose a lot of low cost people to insure) or by a mayority of republicans as they would find this massivly intrusive in the lives and markets.



    Think obama ave the best he could do, altough obamacare can and will be refined .
     
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    red states rule New Member Past Donor

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    Libs have proven in the past that price fixing always "works"
     
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    Mmmm...perhaps one should watch one's loved ones in agony to have a fair and balanced humanist outlook!

    It have nothing to do with money......but has something other than your ignorance of the human condition!

    Get your head out of the gutter and realise there is something other more important than the $ sign!

    Your outlook and ignorance beggars belief!

    Highlander
     
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    red states rule New Member Past Donor

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    So taking profit out of the healthcare system (or any sector) will "encourage" people to go to school for years, take out loans for medical equipment, office space, and hire staff, spend long hours on the job, take risk - just to break even and serve the collective?
     
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    Take you're eyes off the dogma!

    Your thought processes are corrupt.... the $ doesn't rule anything other than one's greed!

    There are more doctors per head in Cuba than any other nation in the world!


    Do they pay more than any other?

    You can marginalise the medical establishment to the detriment of your nation for profit and you have done....but is that right?

    Think out of the box!

    There are other reasons for doing a job of work other than greed!

    The health of ones nation should be the responsibility of those leaders that represent your nation......not the cancerous parasites wishing to live off the backs of the nation! The bankers and Financiers!
    What has that got to do with years of training....what has that to do with spending long hours on the job?

    Regards
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    red states rule New Member Past Donor

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    Why does anyone go to work? Or start a business? Or go to college?

    TO MAKE MONEY!!!!!!

    Take the profit out of anything and you get NOTHING!!!!
     
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    What is profit?

    Profit is the difference between wages and what's left!

    Everyone gets his share...the employee for his hard work and the owner who risks his capital!
    The differential is in balance when everyone get there share!

    You're lack of understanding is the result of years of neglect in the American education system!

    Everything isn't black and white or right and wrong! Make some attempt to see the shades in between!

    That's the difference between being civilised and the law of the jungle! Something which you seem to have difficulty comprehending!

    There is and should be more things than the $ in ones head!

    Regards
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    red states rule New Member Past Donor

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    Now the civil lib brings in the stupid voter talking points

    Profit is what is left after paying wages, taxes, insurance, workers comp, fees, and other business expenses

    Then you have to comply with government regulations

    So oyu see it is not so easy as you deem it to be

    The problem is the government wants the BIGGEST share and always wants to increase the size of their share

    Libs will always try to take capitalism out of the economy then wonder why things are so screwed up
     
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    Firstly and to correct you wrong assumptions..... the Government gets nothing.....its a private company which received your taxes and gives ,most of it to Israel and the Military, those that rule your nation!
    Because of the ignorance of many people your self I'll exclude to smooth matters....Those one percent of your nation pays NOTHING in taxes! Ziltch...empty....nothing...not a penny....because your government and they're hand picked AIPAC senators allows them to do so!

    Someone has to pay and pick up the tab.....and your one of the idiots to do so!

    Voting allows you to choose a representative which will look after your interests...your only allowed to pick they're candidate regardless!

    That's extremism...that's the American political system simplified!

    Don't blame the messenger.....get a set of balls and vote for someone who will fight for the American nation....not AIPAC and the one percentile!

    Regards
    Highlander
     
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    If you dont set prices docters and whoever procides the care will take advantage of the system by inflating prices.
     
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    "break even"

    Docters even in completly gouvernement controlled system always make way more the the average citizen.

    Are you saying the only reason those people are docters because they can make 10-20-50-100 times as much as the average citizen?
     
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    I don't know a single doctor and my family has quite a few, who cite money as their first reason for practicing, but they wouldn't do it unless they made what they make. Too much stress & responsibility and especially sacrifice. If money is all you're after there are so many other professions that require far less training and intelligence that pay more. Highly educated people that hold your life in their hands truly SHOULD be making much more than your average web designer or tree trimmer, but don't tell that to your average Leftist.

    You know who does it for the money? Politicians!! That and power. Doctors want to help other people FIRST!! Politicians want to help THEMSELVES first, for the most part. Those who really want to do it to help everyone in the beginning always seem become the greediest SOBs alive over time...on average.

    The salaries of politicians should be curbed if anything. There should only be ONE reason you should be serving the public and that's to SERVE THE PUBLIC. Not yourself. Not your friends. The quality of politicians will rise dramatically once you remove all methods for them to line their own pockets.
     

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