Muslims to kill Christian Pastor for Converting from Islam

That is two in a row ... I am thinking the earth may just have tilted on its axis or something?

 

Wonder where that came from ? I didn't say there should be demos at the mosques or anything close to that. What are you thinking ?

 

Where did I say I blamed all Muslims ? You said that, not me.

 

YOU KNOW !

9:5, 8:12, 9:123, 9:73, 22:19-20, 4:56, 5;33, 47:4

Just to name a few. Frankly, the whole hateful, genocidal book is full of these.

 

This is the type of nonsense that will ignite WWIII. And when it does, I expect all you christians to go fight the war. Its YOUR war, not mine.,

 

The Koran does not come out and state explicitly that apostates should be killed. All of the neutral references I examined took this position. However, there are a number of Quranic verses that pertain to apostasy and various Muslim scholars found in them the justification to execute apostates.

Examples are ABUL ALA MAWDUDI, SAMUEL ZWEMER, THE MAARIFUL COMMENTARY (Maulana Mufti Muhammad Shafi), etc.

The Hadith is the theological bedrock for the death sentence. There are numerous Hadith that state that apostates are to be killed. Unlike the Quran there is no ambiguity or subjectivity in the Hadith’s statements.

Then there is JURISPRUDENCE.

All four major schools of Sunni Islamic jurisprudence state that the apostate is to be put to death. Mawdudi cites the writings of the four schools.

1. the School of Malik, as written in his book Muwatta.

2. the Hanbali School as explained in the well authenticated book al-Mughni.

3. Imam Tahawi has provided an interpretation of the Hanafi School in his book Sharh Ma'ani al-Athar, and in the Hidayah.

4. Shafi'i in the Hidayah.

Then there is also THE TOMES.

There are several tomes that address the penalty for apostasy. The first, is the "Reliance of the Traveller", is a book of Shafi’i jurisprudence. The tomes reference various scholars’ works and state that the Quran does not mandate the death sentence explicitly but traditional Islamic jurisprudence based upon the Sunna and hadith do. The Ency. of Islam says it plainly, "In Fikh (jurisprudence), there is unanimity that the male apostate must be put to death." This ruling has been the accepted Islamic law for the last 1400 years.

http://answering-islam.org/Silas/apostasy.htm

 

World War III is already taking place. It's being fought on many fronts including right here in this forum, as well as bloody battlefields.

 

FALSE ! The Koran is the number 1 promoter of INtolerance, the world over, and has been for 1400 years unabated.

 

Really? Because an Atheist would lie....and say they were Muslim when they actually were a non-believer?

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I would hope that I would not lie about my faith in Jesus. Courage is something best proved during the moment.

You are advocating cowardice.

 

It is precisely what Muslims believe. ANd those who don't (follow the Koran), aren't actually Muslims. Muslims can be defined by their deeds, not what they might call themselves.

 

The Bible is to be taken literally...and in context.

 

And the Koran is too. If it wasn't meant to be taken literally, it wouldn't have been written let alone stood intact for 1400 years, without a single word being changed. What would some people think the Koran is - a comic book ?

 

WWIII is necessary to bring about the Rapture.

The devout followers will be plucked from the earth just before things get bad.

 

As literature, The Koran is different from the Bible in many ways. The structure is TOTALLY different, and the purpose of the texts is totally different.

 

Here's two. There are many more.

The Cow
[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

The Immunity

[9.1] (This is a declaration of) immunity by Allah and His Apostle towards those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement.
[9.2] So go about in the land for four months and know that you cannot weaken Allah and that Allah will bring disgrace to the unbelievers.
[9.3] And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Apostle are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve.
[9.4] Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

 

WWIII will just be the war before WWIV

 

There must be something in this situation that requires Obama to apologize for America's responsibility in this.

 

Lets not bring up the facts and allow them to color our opinions of the situation.

 

oops. Mea culpa--mea MAXIMUS culpa.

 

Oh, during wars, yes Muslims are allowed to kill the people who started wars with them.

I wanted to see som Ayahs were the Quran days to just kill infidels, just because they are infidels.

 

You have never met a Muslim, face-to-face, to ask what they believe.

And all your "knowledge" of Islam, if you can call it that, is simply the opinions of non-Muslim bloggers.

Making your posts about Islam wrong, and just hate-filled nonsense.

 

In your pathetic attempt to prove a point, you unfortunatly forgot to highlight some important parts of the above verse.

Since I am a nice person, I took the pleasure of doing it for you.

No need to thank me.

This is talking about a specific event between the Muslims and the Pagan tribes. War. Like the other verse you posted.

Even so...

[9:6] And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.

Despite the Pagans starting war with Muslims, some didn't want to fight, and Allah SWT commands Muslims to protect them from the war. A fine example of His mercy.

[9:7] How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

Here, Allah SWT says do not start trouble with the Pagans, only fight as an act of self-defence. If they maintain the peace, Muslims must do the same.


So as you can see, quite simply, you are wrong. Like the other Copy/Paste posters on here.

 

Yes dear, I’m aware of theses verses. They've been quoted about a zillion times by our islamophobic little doves of peace in this forum.

Just like the bible verses that – and there’s no denying it – seem to advocate plain genocide these bits of the Qu'ran imust be seen in their context: a specific battle fought by Muslims at a specific time. It’s not a general command.

If you are annoyed by atheists who stubbornly repeat gruesome Bible-verses to depict the God you believe in as genocidal without bothering to ask what the context was and how Christians view these verses today, you should not take part in an equally stupid slander of another religion.


As a good Catholic you should instead seek dialogue and understanding and give a voice to Muslims who do the same.

Just follow the role-model you like to follow in most other things: http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/pope0264qr.htm


As for the killing of apostates, here is for example this scholars’ view:

http://webcitation.org/65QdNJN3w

 

The Immunity

[9.1] (This is a declaration of) immunity by Allah and His Apostle towards those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement.
[9.2] So go about in the land for four months and know that you cannot weaken Allah and that Allah will bring disgrace to the unbelievers.
[9.3] And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Apostle are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve.
[9.4] Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

How is that one not saying to kill those who don't believe as Muslims do? They are called Idolaters, and it says to kill them for that unless they convert. I really am interested in the explanation.

It continues... It specifically cites the Jews and Christians as "Idolaters"


[9.28] O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!