more American troops on our soil....

Just another day at the office for Saddam Hussein.

 

When it comes to an agreement between 2 country's to have "Joint Defence Faculty's" on the soil of a particular nation, its fine by me, as long as it's mutual and transparent between both governments...but if one of the nations totally take over the soil of the hosting nation , barring all...that's wrong... there is nothing "joint" about it...Pine gap for example.

 

I agree, nothing "joint" about Pine Gap.

Let the Americans name ONE permanent Australian base where Australian troops are housed on American soil, and then this so-called mutual/equal alliance might be something of value to Australia and Australians.

 

What a completely inhumane and stupid thing to say.

 

Over one miilion Irakies have died from this war, from information that was fraudulant at best.

If thats not a good case to indite these *******s as war criminals i dont know what is

George W Bush
Tony Blaire
John Howard.

 

100k is 3 days of WW2 for instance.

Is there any topic where you don't display total ignorance?

 

Does anyone know what portion of the Australian people support a military alliance with America?

 

Individuals like 'panzerkampwagen' have IQ's below 70, so those individuals would support any alliance, because they need others like the USA to think and act for them.

Anyone with a brain knows Australia should not have been involved in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Unfortunately the USA dangled the "free trade' agreement carrot in front of donkey PM Howard at the time ( join us a you get free trade), and he took a bite of the carrot to the detriment of the Australian people.

I did however notice, that none of 150 parasite pollies or any of their families fought or died in either of these wars. All comfortable back here in Australia squeezing zits from their fat arses, while everyone else dies for them and their incompetent mistakes. Maybe one day the military will stop being blind obeying sheep to these parasites, and say NO when they know what they are doing is WRONG!!

 

Panzer's intellect is of the first order.

I am very dubious of an American alliance with Australia. I don't think enough Australians support the idea. That's a fundamental flaw for any alliance relationship.

 

Okie Dokie

 

Do we need anyone permanently based in the US? We've got people there all the time in various places on exchange duties and also training but that's all we need to do. Our military isn't large enough to be placed anywhere but Australia and a few other places in our region. On top of that there is no need for an Australian base in the US.

 

I think the test is, would Australia elect to government a party that promised to withdraw from ANZUS? I think not. NZ has done so but our two countries, politically speaking, are very different.

 

I remember during the early days of the Iraq War that even though polls showed that the majority of Australians were against the war (support for the war actually increased for a while, as expected to show support for the troops) a majority still supported the alliance.

 

Hmmm,
that would indicate that we are afraid to be left alone one day, if we don't do our duty.
But for the questionable safety of having a big ally in troubled times, is it worth to close ours eyes and do whatever the US is asking us to do?
Where is our consciousness?
How come, that neither the US or Australia has taken their leaders on after Iraq? Is the life of some 100.000 Iraqis worth nothing?
Some will argue, that the world was a much safer place during the Cold War. Are we heading this way again, with more troops in Australia, and a China spending more on their defense?
Ordinary people should have a much bigger say in questions like this. And that shouldn't be every three years at the federal level....

 

The USA would dump us like a dirty turd in a river just like the Poms did in WW2 if and when they need too. Can anyone realistically see the USA coming to our defense if China/Russia landed 200,000 troops in Australia?

By the USA housing troops in Australia; is just the old lion called America showing its rotten teeth at the young lion China at Australia's expense. So much for the so-called equal/joint Australia - US alliance. LOL LOL

New Zealand got it right, and Australia should do the same - (*)(*)(*)(*) the US military & economical dominance over off.

 

I would like to see that link!!

 

I think you'll find that "Parliament" has agreed. It's not like the Libs would object.

I don't find it odd. I do find it a little irritating. It's not even though a vote is necessary, just a debate would be nice. It was done and dusted before we even knew. It looks set to be repeated with the drones likely to be based on Xmas Island.

I can see a future, what with technology, whereby monthly (or whatever) referendum would be a real possibility. I wouldn't like to see it yet though. First, i'd like to see five year terms with semi-representational elections. And really, i'm not sure it matters when most of the electorate is ignorant on most policy stances, and even more ignorant of the real issues.

I don't want to see more QLD elections when you get ~50% of the vote and ~90% of the seats. That's not very democratic in my opinion.


Back to the OP... i'm torn on this one. I'd prefer to be more like NZ, save money by not bothering with a large, but not large enough military that can be quickly eclipsed by most of our neighbours in a short time. I also don't like US foreign policy, and don't like being apart of their imperialist-like (some say, pure imperialist) agenda. If the agreement were to have an end date (does it?) that wasn't likely to just be extended with a rubber stamp (likely) then i'm ok. For now. Basically, i would have preferred it if it were for, say, 2 years only. In 4-5 years, when there's yet more and we're more part of American aggression than ever, then i will want them out - and pronto.

In terms of regional interests, would we rather them here or Indonesia? Where they much more likely to stoke hatred. All those big, strong black men taking home the little asian women for fun. It won't be popular in the Islamic world.

It'd be better if they just stayed in America, but we basically did invite them. Are there any sizable surveys that show Australian's attitude toward it?