Dad kills daughter for having US actors on her mobile phone

I definitely am not a newbie here, and I am fully aware of the fact that most of Dons posts are biased against muslims...that being said I also feel that he has every right to post these news stories as long as they are truthful and sourced with a link... my point is that you (and others on this forum) are constantly attacking him for posting world news stories in a world news forum. Now you may not want to read these stories, or maybe you don't want these stories to be brought to light, maybe you are ashamed or embarrassed by these stories, I don't know, but he is doing absolutely nothing wrong by posting them. Many people on this forum consistantly post stories bashing the progressive left, or for that matter the conservative right, many people are constantly bashing obama and his administration, should their opinions be silenced as well or is it just the stories that you, little miss casandrbandra, don't want to hear about that should be silenced? Get my point. thats why we call this a forum. You would earn much more respect if you would effectively debate the issue rather than trying to attack/silence the messenger. just my 2 pennies

 

so what's your issue then...don started a thread that has an implied attack/commentary on Muslims...and then he got rebuttals showing the hypocrisy of his stance... it wasn't for the event itself but his slant/motive for posting it...

the purpose of the forum has been served...donglock demonstrated his biases/prejudices and got schooled on the issue ...

 

And where exactly did he ATTACK muslims in this thread?

 

read my earlier post...

 

This is not a racial issue it is a cultural issue and one which is endemic within the Muslim world IE the subordination of women and their inequality within the male dominated misogynistic society of dar al-Islam and to deny that the Islamic culture is barbaric and has no place within western society and the civilized world is to deny the truth. Yes western society is far superior, yes their culture does not belong here due to its violent, discriminatory, and oppressive nature, and no that does not make me a racist despite your continued laughable and juvenile redefining of the term to suit your misguided agenda.

 

Muslim scholars and leaders just won't or refuse to educate Muslims...maybe because honour killing is part of Islam?

 

Yes yes more of your BS anecdotes, who are we to believe you or our own two eyes which see the various polls conducted within the Islamic world proving that the vast majority of Muslims are in fact fundamentalists by any reasonable definition of the word due to their support of theocracy, not only do the polls show this but so too do the results in the voting booth which wherever the Islamic Imperialists are allowed to participate in free elections we see them coming to power (see: Turkey, West Bank/Gaza, Tunisia, and Egypt) in fact the sole exception to this rule seems to be Indonesia where the secular democratic party holds a strong majority, however, when we combine the other major parties (all of which are Islamist) even in Indonesia the Islamists hold a majority.

 

The liberal media outcry is not there because the liberals first need the conservatives to develop Algeria into a profitable venture. Then, the liberals can come in and steal with their clever PR. Not before. But why doesn't the news report mention that the father had sex with his 16 year old daughter as per his national traditions, before he killed her?

 

What do you mean by normal? I would like to suggest, that currently, it is only the muslim religion that offers and alternative to the Americanization of the entire world, both financially and culturally. When the muslim religion will be put away, even Africans will need those life long gigantic mortgage debts for as little as putting a roof over their heads. But until then, currently, at least they are not suffering like we western people do, trying to catch up to printed paper assets, by working our asses off for nothing.

Has the political dynamics of women's changing status helped the international migration of people, or has it hindered it? I guess western protectionist laws for local labor markets suggest that it hindered it.

 

I am quite astonished at what you write here. From previous posts and as I have shown previously the Muslims you have encountered are far from representative of Muslims generally. Are the Muslims you have encountered on this forum more normal than the general forum population? Are you taking into account that people generally are less inhibited on a netforum than IRL?

Sounds like interesting work but can you really determine which men are likely to be violent towards women on the basis of their "world view" as expressed here? You seem to infer that the average poster on this forum is more likely to assault a women than an average Muslim, is that what you believe? It would be interesting to have the formula, what kind of "world view" is at fault and how did you seek to change it assuming you did? Among all the Muslims you have known have you never met any who would kill for family honour or approve of doing so?

 

for years, the world news section could have been renamed to either -

"what terrible things happened in the middle east this week"

or

"what terrible things have muslims done this week".

what happens in a remote village in the arab world is no more world news that the daily muurders, many of them violence against women and children, that occur in the US - or anywhere else.

the forum owners demonstrate their own bigotry by not setting clearer rules about this.

 

you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the bum.

you also have probably never knowingly met a muslim and would be scared out of your wits if you did.

As I said, I have had plenty of contact with muslims for many yeras, have spent considerable periods of time in severalmuslim countries ... they are no more what you and Don paint them than the average american is a mass murderer.

I have found more "out there" comments from some christians I have met than I have from the majority of muslims I have met - even from less educated muslims in their own countries. sure there are some who are fundamentalist, but then .. the christians have their extremists as well ... as do Hindus, Jews and every other religious group.

 

I would like to see some evidence of your claim re this "national tradition"

would you say it is a "national tradition" in the US for a man to have sex with his daughter?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/25/mother-sentenced-years-incest-case/

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/international/americas/2012/03/09/334016/US-prosecutor.htm

http://dalje.com/en-world/us-man-guilty-of-murdering-baby-in-incest-case/302841

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...repeatedly-raped-daughter-kept-locked-up.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...aughter-Mamas-Papas-singer-John-Phillips.html

this one seems to be a christian tradition - his apocalyptic vision influenced his actions:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3976560..._courts/t/father-found-guilty-nj-incest-case/

 

you shouldn't be astonished.

you have shown nothing but your own prejudices.

my own experience, which includes immigrants, people on temporary visas and people living in their own countries, is at odds with your so called examples, which makes me question the validity of what you say.

what your posts have suggested to me is that Denmark has very poor settlement programmes, or that you select cases that support your agenda and ignore the vast majority of muslims who are not represented by the cases you refer to.

 

Just like stoning a Muslim woman to death if she's even suspected of infidelity, flogging her in public, hanging rape victims or in some cases, the rape victim is forced to marry her rapist, FGM, arranged marriages, women are beaten if they're seen talking to a male she's not related to..... that happened to a 75 yr old woman in Saudi Arabia - for asking her husband's nephew to bring her some food, the 'religious' or 'morality' police saw her and beat her, then threw her in jail.... and the list goes on and on........

Yes, we have godawful atrocities happening in the US and when the man (or woman) is caught, they're tried and sent to prison........ not so in (*)(*)(*)(*)holes like Saudi Arabia where the 'morality' police will beat a 75 yr old woman b/c she was hungry........

Let's see..... what Muslim country was it where a school caught on fire and the girls weren't allowed to escape immediately b/c they didn't have their heads covered? Quite a few died.......

 

And all this matters why?

You wanna send the troops in?

 

This reminds me of a thread I started a while ago, about this exact topic...

LINK

The url gave the thread subject away. Surprisingly this thread was virtually ignored. Not a single relpy.

 

HB - you know that a lot of what you are saying here is not to do with Islam, but is related to a range of other factors.

you have posted on threads where I have posted links to FGM information that clearly shows it is not excusively a muslim practice, and is not practised at all in many muslim communities (but is practised in some christian and anu=imist communities in Africa).

you have also posted on threads where a link has been provided showing a teenage girl who was not muslim who was stoned by her community for seeing a muslim boy.

you have posted on threads where I have provided links to some of the shocking statistics on child marriages - which is also practised in some other cultures - Hindu child marriage still happens, and families sell daughters as children to become temple prostitutes.

why do you want to engage in this muslim bashing?


why are you - and people like you - so insecure that you need to have a bogey man, consisting of 1.5 billion people, to pour all of your hatred into?

 

Thanks OJ. I have reposted the OP from that thread in full here:

I'll tell you why these trolls didn't respond.

its because the tpoic of the thread conflicts with the view of Islam that they want to have.

all this hatred against muslims is not because of anything to do with muslims, its because of their own fear, hatred and anger. probably they are very insecure within themselves.

thats why they didn't respond.

 

It doesnt matter what evidence we put here they just ignore it and start up another anti Islam thread. It's the reason why it's very rare to find Muslims on this type of forum. There is no point in arguing with programmed robots whose only job is to spread misinformation and lies. When their lie is revealed they open another thread hoping that the last evidence will be ignored.

 

I started another thread on a different issue:

http://www.politicalforum.com/scien...nt-republicans-understand-climate-change.html

the same limitations to thinking apply in this instance.

fact can not be used to counter those who have based their decisions on ideological preconceptions.

these people are impervious to new information that challenged their pre conceived ideas .. its actually a waste of time because they will not believe anything that conflicts with what they have already accepted as truth.

even if a muslim family moved in over the road from them, and they became the best of friends, they would believe that family was an exception, and were unlike ALL other muslims.

it is sad, really.

 

yes it's sad and ignorant but thats life and this is what we have to bear in our lives

 

I'm afraid it is neither sad nor ignorant. It is a result of indoctrinating people. And indoctrinating people is the best way to divide them, which is the best way to make money on them. ("Market differentiation.")

 

It wasn't ignored per se, it is more like Muslims around the world ignore it. They ignore and criticise any Muslim leaders or scholars who dare to speak against the traditional establish Muslim hierarchy because the very government which are Muslim are not stepping up to enforce or implement change.

Instead of having Muslim police arresting those people who commit such thing as honour crime, we see special Muslim police "motality police" who are enforcing Muslim honour laws or sharia.

Muslim in the West have little to worry because in the West, secular law out weigh any sharia law. Still, we see many Muslim in the West continue to commit honour crimes and justify their action under Islam.

While Christian missionaries try to establish schools in Muslim lands to educate Muslims against violence on women, Muslims are destroying those schools, threaten and are attacking students who attend those schools and do we see any Muslim schools in Muslim lands educating and protecting women? Do we see Western Muslim missionaries educating Muslim in Muslim lands?, I don't think so.

There are some prominent Western Muslims who are in a position to speak against this kind of barbarism, people like Cat Steven aka "Yusuf" but do we hear them saying anything to educate Muslims, no instead their position is that we are ignorant about Islam in other words we are the problem for reporting it.

 

Care to point out where Muslims condemned these Imams or the Fatwa. Please.

And yes, the thread - the topic - was ignored.