Russia Threatens PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE AGAINST NATO Over Missile Defense

So called "Missile Defense" is a first strike weapon. It's a sword. Not a shield. What if Russia put a missile defense system in Mexico? It's just inconcievable.

 

Uh...I don't think so. Our NAVAL DEPLOYED missile defense can shoot EVERY ICBM Russia has , OUT OF THE STRATOSPHERE, the ones that don't DETONATE UPON LAUNCH FAILURE IN THE RUSSIANS LAPS, that is.

And that's not even counting our land-based systems. WE HAVE MADE "STAR WARS"(SDI) HAPPEN.

They not only lack the accurate striking capability of our short, medium and long range missiles, they have NOTHING REMOTELY COMPARABLE to our missile defense, and they know it.

Their "retaliatory strike" would kill more RUSSIANS,than Americans...

 

Woooooo!!!

A country with 140 million people and a GDP smaller than California's, a large chunk of which is controlled by criminals.

The Putinskis are just trying to distract their population from the miserable state of their country.

 

Do you seriously think the US does anything because we want to be nice?

 

Bullcrap. It is designed to shoot down incoming missiles,and it WILL.

Make up some more nonsense....

 

Preemptive attack.......In order to defend themselves.....gee, I wonder where they got that idea?

 

When it comes to military strategy, I hope not....

 

You've this claim before and I've posted this response before. Let's see if you run away like a girl again or if you throw up walls to cover up your utter failure to respond:

Prove it. Back up your claim that we have a fully capable and impenetrable missile defense shield with evidence.

 

Quite probably; we are discussing a hypothetical, most likely...

 

Plus, stirring up hysteria is always good business for the bomb makers.

 

We have less than 100 deployed intercepters, all on the West Coast and ZERO AEGIS cruisers in the Arctic Circle that the Russian missiles will be crossing to hit us.

How exaclty are we immune to their strike again?

 

Here's nifty site, Nukemap. Select your target city and the size of nuke you want to use and then detonate it. http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

Here's a picture chart of the various bomb sizes. Note that you can barely see the mushroom cloud from the Hiroshima bomb when compared to the larger bombs. http://www.picshag.com/atomic-bomb-chart.html

Now remember that since 1945 there have been over 2,000 nuclear bombs exploded around the world.

 

Duck!!! Here comes one now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Yes they are.
Beside, since there isn't any "civilian" oversight of the world nuclear inventory we only have the respective power declaration of number of ordinance. Who knows what the real tally is since those numbers are of strategical importance and as such are classified. we can only "estimate" them.

Since nuclear warhead have a limited shelf life and are costly to produce and maintain I wouldn't be surprised if most of the big nation were just playing a big game of poker and bluffing each other.

Except for rogue nation, governments even the most corrupt and authoritarian one, would have a tough time maintaining control and power even after only one or two cities being nuked. In that case there is no need for an extensive inventory unless it is only for redundancy. I mentioned rogue nation as an exception because those don't rely on their population to keep their power. They mostly hold power by proxy.

 

Ok, so what does Washington define as US "vital interests?"

The Clinton administration's National Security Strategy declares:

 

No one ran away like a little girl, here.

We shot down a satallite, in the stratosphere, at orbital speeds, with a single missile shot, from a moving vessel at sea, remember?

We have enough of those systems (Aegis Weapons Systems) in the Navy ALONE to annihilate the Russian Strategic Missile Fleet.


http://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/satellites/us-satellite-shootdown-the-inside-story



http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2100&tid=200&ct=2


We have about 50 ships with the Aegis systems on them,as well as an undisclosed number of subs, and our allies have another few dozen as well.

EACH AEGIS SYSTEM can ID,TRACK, AND TARGET ,and DESTROY A HUNDRED+ enemy missiles...in the stratosphere.

Do the math; we've already proven it works better than we EVER DREAMED IT WOULD...and we can swat ANYTHING the Russians, or anyone else, for that matter, sends up.

And that's not even counting our LAND-BASED, FAR MORE INTENSE, MISSILE DEFENSES...

The fact that we haven't ALREADY turned Russia, Red China, Iran,and North Korea into glass, is a testimonial to our Great Benevolence, IMO...

I don't "run away"; why would I?

 

It expands the domains for freedom of nuclear aggression. In other words, we can hit them but they cant hit us. Or that's the idea anyways.

 

We shot down a satellite sure.

A satellite with a known speed and trajectory.

A satellite with a speed a d trajectory that we were monitoring for weeks.

We shot it down with a ship that was directly in its orbital path where we had the time to sit and wait for the most optimal possible moment to fire.

Now please, let me know:

How long would we have to detect the Russian missiles, learn about their launch paths, speeds, and trajectories, and perfectly position ships in their paths?

It takes about 30 minutes for ICBM's from Russia to cross the Pole and begin striking US cities, less if they are SLBM's. You think we can get nuclear icebreakers to clear routes through the ice and move our 50 AEGIS ships from all over the Earth to the North Pole in less than 30 minutes warning?

If you do you are an idiot.

You are also an idiot if you think our Subs carry SAMs.

 

Or missile defense system is designed to stop an attempted strike from a minor nuclear power like North Korea or an accidental launch. It cannot take down the hundreds of ICBM's that the Russians have or that the Chinese will have.

And that's not going to be its intended purpose either. We know our enemies don't trust us. If we begin developing a system that would make us immune to nuclear strikes (and therefore giving us the ability to launch a strike without fear of retaliation) we put our enemies in a "use 'em or lose 'em" situation.

 

That's the POINT , and purpose. Lucky for the world, we don't try to make them be Marxist, do we? We try to get them to LET THEIR PEOPLE VOTE FOR THEIR LEADERS.

It designed to remind Russia , that the Great Comminust expansion of the 1970's, early 1980's...is OVER..FOREVER.

 

I guess you guys can't read. The Aegis system is designed to track ,target and DESTROY hundreds of missiles, worldwide...EACH SYSTEM, that is.

Check your math skills....

 

How exactly is the AEGIS system supposed to destroy missiles "worldwide" when the SM-3 missile only has a range of 300 miles?

Maybe you should check your math skills.

By the way, the Arleigh Burke and Ticonderoga classes only carry 90 and 122 missiles respectively max (and that's if they aren't carrying any Tomahawks, Harpoons, or ASROCs). How are they designed to destroy "hundreds" each?

 

Aegis ships do not have go to the North Pole to target over the North Pole; they use satellite signals to target.

And , once again, they are LESS ACCURATE THAN OUR LAND BASED SYSTEMS, yet FAR MORE DEADLY that ANYTHING the Russians have.

Misslie trajectory is what it was DESIGNED FOR; it just happend to be accurate, adaptable, and reliable enough to shoot down a satellite.

As far as sub-based ICBMs...never heard of the Trident missile, apparently. Not "SAMS"..BALLISTIC MISSILES.


The ten Trident submarines in the Atlantic fleet were initially equipped with the D-5 Trident II missile. The eight submarines in the Pacific were initially equipped with the C-4 Trident I missile. In 1996 the Navy started to backfit the eight submarines in the Pacific to carry the D-5 missile.


http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/slbm/d-5.htm


You just aren't up to speed on the US strategic defensive and offensive capabilities, at all.

I gave you some GOOD LINKS. Read;learn. Be PROUD..and RECOGNIZE: We Can Stomp Their Asses At Oour Leisure...get over it.

 

A Trident Missile isn't a SAM. You were claiming in your post that we have AEGIS systems deployed on subs. That's utter bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

And again, how are our AEGIS ships going to hit Russian missiles passing over the North Pole when they only have a range of 300 miles with their missiles (and that's slant range in atmosphere. The range is severely cut when the missile has to claw its way up into orbit)?

You have no clue what you are talking about.

 

Oh...they can only destroy "90", or "122" ...EACH. Hiw many of EACH VESSEL do we have ?

Um....enjoying that hole you keep digging?