I was told to take my Flag down.

you should have asked to see her 'flag police' badge and identification'. Then when she told you that she didn't have any, you should have told her that you were going to report her for impersonating a 'flag cop' and informed her that she could be guilty of a felony that carries a stiff fine, imprisonment or both.

 

Don't you mean they massacred over 9000 invaders? See how I did that there? When it's "settlers" it seems like they weren't invading other people's land, killing their food, creating waste, and lying their pants off to them the whole while.

 

We destroyed America & stole it from the American people, you know the natives we slaughtered....


Now, tell me, am I serious or just yanking you chain?

 

As a "property owner of rental properties"; I feel your pain.

I would recommend the following ...

A) What do your rules indicate about hanging any type of flag?
B) How Big is this Flag.
C) How close is it to any obstruction or other "renters".

Like I say ... I'm a landlord and I feel your pain ... imagine renting a building to several people who believe it's "their" property, even though they are only renting the inside of the property.

I agree .. you're in America and you should be able to fly an American Flag.

But think of it this way ...

1. One neighbor is also in America and they want to fly a Big Confederate Flag.
2. Anther wants to Fly a Big Marine Flag.
3. Another wants to Fly a Big Chicago White Sox Flag.
4. Next to him is a neighbor who wants to Fly a Big Chicago Cubs Flag.
5. Next to him someone wants to Fly a Big Gay Rights Flag.

Next thing you know ... you're landing Aircraft.

Buy your own home and you can Paint your Roof as an American Flag.

Renting sucks ... because it NOT your Property and you can't make the Rules on Property you don't Own!

 

Two wrongs make a right. Got it. What grade are we in?

The Navajos are your "hosts" in this country. Show them some respect.

And the name is Navajo. Show some respect Einstein.

 

Dude, get over it. Indians took land from Indians. Chinese would have kicked their ass if landing 1st. Such was the nature of the times. I could see if this women was in a tee pee and he hanged it off it. Something tells me she was going to her apartment, with running water, power and cable...while probably drinking a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing slurpy. Overly sensitive people suck.

 

I suspect that the depth of your feelings hints at rejection .
Unhappiness has befuddled your memory -- the British are full of fresh sap and are poised under the p ants and can snap any too skinny damsel from east to west .

 

So ... Ladies and Gentlemen ... what have we learned today ...

Owning is better than Renting.

Isn't Free Enterprise Wonderful?

 

I agree. Any idiot that cries because a Navajo woman has a slightly different take on history really needs to get a life.

 

I actually agree. I would have laughed and hung 2.

 

If she OWNS the Building ... maybe it's time to move.

If she doesn't OWN the Building .. them consult with the OWNER of The Building.

 

I see people in this nation who would refer to its "President" in the most disparaging of ways. I believe that should not ever happen.

I also think that it is the height of hypocrisy for people whine about one person's freedom of expression, which staunchly supporting the above. Watch many on the RIGHT closely... they would indeed express disdain for their symbol of choice, while claiming to almost religiously respect others.

Another thought: Why haven't just outright banned the so-called Confederate Flag? To me 'personally', it is far more disrespectful to display that symbol... than to decline display of our other official symbols.

Freedom of of expression either is/isn't an American value. If SOME want the flag to be displayed (on their property) fine, if others do not wish for it to be displayed fine.

I love America (I am part of it), but as patriotic as I am at the core, I realize and understand that others aren't happy with or proud of all our flag stand for. And I'd rather they opt for NOT displaying the same, rather than desecrating the same.

Bottom line: We can't say what is/isn't offensive for another. The best we can do is support freedom of speech/expression, whether we like the related speech/expression or not. It is hypocritical to support someone slamming the President politically, which opposing another private citizen's right to decline display of another symbol of America (the flag).

Even as a military member we are allowed reasonable levels of expression... though different than for civilians. We are not allowed to speak disrespectfully in public against the President or the flag... but by the same token we aren't required to publicly display or revere American symbols otherwise.

There are things which have been done by certain individuals under the flag or in the name of America, that I do not support as a human being; So, I DO understand why some people express the disdain for certain symbols which they do.

 

Yep this sucks, and it's a shame. Here in the UK people are wary about the Union Jack/George's cross. But there are reasons for that, it's people like the BNP and the EDL who have turned the flags into symbols of extreme nationalism. So for some ethnic minorities (myself included in some ways), if they see too many flags in one area, or outside a pub for example it makes them wary. It's a real shame, but I certainly defend the right to show flags. I went to Scotland recently and they certainly don't hold back. But we have to look at why the British and American flag have such negative effect - through the actions of our respective regimes and the extreme nationalism on the ground. It's a very touchy subject, and worth having an open and honest discussion about.

 

Well I am comforted that something like this wouldn't really have a profound effect on you. But I do think I could improve a bit on your response. I would actually tell the woman that I 100% agree that the US military has made some big mistakes. I would also point out that I'm sure at some point in history Navajo warriors probably made some mistakes too. That does not prevent her from being a proud Navajo. Secondly I would point out that I was flying the flag for Memorial day. I was doing it to remember all those 18 year olds that didn't know or care about politics and thought they were doing the right thing.

And finally I would tell her I was flying it to remember the Navajo code talkers that immensely aided the Allies in WWII after the Nazis cracked our codes.

I think in the original scenario if it was even true consisted of two people acting out of ignorance. If people know their history and take the time to talk to each other they will quickly find that we share a lot of the same values and history. This business of focusing on minor differences and lashing out with hate and ridicule is pointless. I know that is the way this forum works but it is totally counter productive. There are a certain core of posters on this forum that I don't even bother to read their threads. I know it will be just some pointless troll thread. They post threads just to provoke. Even if you post something calm and insightful to their threads they will either not respond or give some canned robotic partisan hack reply. It is not a conversation. In real life we must try and have conversations.

 

All valid, to be sure. But honestly, do you sit and talk with Jehovah's witnesses or missionaries when they knock, out of respect? As soon as I got the gist of what the knock was for, I probably would have told her to "(*)(*)(*)(*) off" and slammed it in her face. I mean really. I'm a staunch opponent to globalization. If you think that means I knock on people's doors who buy foreign cars to chastise them, you're nuts. The lady was never taught social protocol.

 

Well I don't talk to them "out of respect." I talk to them because they are fellow Christians and we share common values. I don't really get into splitting hairs between various denominations of Christians. I'm happy with my faith as is. That doesn't mean I have to ridicule other Christians.

This is not how civilized adults behave. I have never had the need to slam the door in anyone's face. Even if there was a neo Nazi on my porch I could talk in a civil manner to them. Well I probably wouldn't open the door out of fear for my safety but safety concerns aside sure I could talk to them.

Well I think if a five year old throws a tantrum in the middle of a mall that means that they haven't been appropriately socialized. If your response is to get out a belt and viciously beat the child that also means something went wrong with your socialization. Two wrongs don't make a right. If someone acts like a child it is incumbent upon you to be an adult.

 

That is an amazing story.

Question for you. How did you know the lady was not only native American, but Navajo? Do Navajo's look a certain way?

 

LOL. So you're that guy. You are the enabler of these types. Knock it off. No solicitors.

 

Nope not at all. I usually don't answer the door. I am a quiet private person. If I am not expecting a package or visitor I don't answer knocks on the door. Isn't that standard Jehovah's witness protocol? If I happen to make a mistake and answer the door I can be civil to anyone. I don't invite them in but I can have a brief polite conversation and get them off my front porch. I just don't understand all the slamming of doors and wailing and gnashing of teeth. Either avoid the situation or handle it like an adult. I just don't understand the need for constant confrontation.

I joke around with my friends but when I am dealing with crazy people I am very careful. What I've read in this thread is people saying, a crazy person showed up on my front doorstep so I will act even more crazy and escalate the situation. How about deescalate the situation and don't give an unstable person an excuse?

 

For the simple fact a person such as this will be encouraged by any form of you responding in a way to which deems her actions acceptable. Before you know it, she would be knocking on your door for God knows what. Do you live in an apartment complex?

 

Fact is you have a right to be offended, some people might not be, fair enough. I think I'd be intrigued, maybe offer the lady in for a cup of tea and see what her problem is with me personally. Like Jebediah said there are ways to intelligently justify it. But if it would simply annoy you to the point of slamming the door, I think that is to be expected. I don't care what flag it is (I'm talking national, not Nazi) I wouldn't knock on someone's door and ask them to take it down, and if I did I wouldn't expect a positive response from the majority.

 

Most people will be willing to pick up a fight over such petty things but would think it too much a bother to say a simple "Thank you but I am not interested".

 

JW? I called th cops on them for trespassing on my property and refusing to leave...

They caught me at a bad time.. 7 AM in the morning..

The evening before a due drop in (no prenatal care) with four small children at home had shown up in my ER in end stage labor. She was delivered and proceeded to bleed out. The only hope for her life was a transfusion which was initiated.. Her husband went crazy and was thrown out of the hospital..

Her life was saved but within 20 minutes we had a JW lawyer in Atl 400 miles away threatening a lawsuit.

My opinion? She should have stayed away and had her baby in the parking lot.

 

Why didn't you ask her? She is, in fact, more American than you are.

btw...have you ever considered a career as a fiction writer?

 

Has anyone noticed the Free Market and Owners Rights crowd are ignoring the Ownership response?

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