Just how influential are Freemasons worldwide?

I won't affiliate to any org, group, party, or secret society.

Even if I may share some common ground with a group/party, I will not join it directly.

 

Jack, if you are interested in Templary here are some articles I've done:

Vox In Excelso: The papal bull which officially disbanded the Templars

The Death of Jacques De Molay

The Grand Masters of the Knights Templar

Uniforms of the medieval and Masonic Templars

Chivalry (a long one)

The Beauceant

 

I don't think these people are very secret; perhaps a private group but when they put up a sign that says Fish Fry Everyone Welcome and they leave their symbols all over the place; they are hardly keeping themselves terribly 'secret'. This is hype. This is more fear of the unknown in our society that needn't be there. We are at this time in people and strange happening that are being witnessed 'terrorizing ourselves'.
In civilized countries balancing freedom and chaos is a task. So, any group could be a secret society. Jeepers, Bikers, churches, social clubs and anything else could be the subject of accusations of a plot. Fear not neither be afraid, eh? To me what I see is "you might not understand and we don't to argue about it".
Simple enough.

 

But just for the sake of a debate, I could propose that the fish should be baked or broiled instead of fried with plenty of colorful vegetables. Therefore the masonic lodges would be conspiring in their public outreach to brainwash the populace into eating unhealthy and inappropriate food. Then I would be part of the Michele Obama communist plot to pervert our children into growing gardens and jumping rope again.
If it weren't for bad luck i'd have no luck at all-deep despair and agony on me.

 

Yeah, true, but how many bikers have made President?

 

In Freemasonry, we don't accept felons or men who don't believe in God. Other men with bad reputations in the community likely will not be accepted.

Presidents are usually high achievers of good qualities, so it's understandable they are likely to come from a group already vetted.

 

So should we discourage our members from excelling in life?

 

Well, in that case, and no offence, might I suggest that this fantastic vetting procedure hasn't worked out too well.

If it had, then surely it would have vetted out candidates that inclined toward scandal?

If it had, surely it would have vetted out a man who is clearly not intelligent, yes I do mean Bush, and please, no one can convince me that man is intelligent, or a high achiever, or a good example of mankind.

If it had, it would not have permitted a situation to develop where no man could be President now unless he is vetted and approved....by AIPAC.

An alien and foreign construct, that ensures your Presidents, for at least 40 yrs, have bowed at their true altar.

In theory, any man should be able to be President.

However, I am a realist, and appreciate that not all are suited.

But it is entirely undemocratic and probably even against the constitution for a situation to be in place, where so many electric fences COMMAND any President to be servile to Israel. Not to serve American people.....Israeli people.

And, if my some total fluke a President was to robustly move away from that, for example, say no more loans to Israel, and no more aid, since it never pays loans back, and since it arrogantly tells us how it's a First World country, they do not need 'aid', what do you think Zionist agents in the US would do?

How about if he asked Israel to account for it's stockpiled nukes? What do you think Ziionists within the US would do?

How about if he said that he found the influence of groups like AIPAC to be unhealthy for US democracy. What do you think Zionist traitors in the US would do?

I'll give you a hint.

Three letters.

J

F

K

 

That's not what I am suggesting, at all.

However, nor should being part of any secret society offer anyone an advantage over someone not part of one.

Which they do.

 

Freemasons are another organization in decline. Two local lodges went under in the last year.

 

Except Bush (Sr. or Jr.) are or were never Masons.

Freemasonry has no duty to "vet" every potential candidate for US President.

Can I get an example of this?

 

In the mid-20th century, Freemasonry expanded greatly and some call it the "Age of Fraternalism", but I call it the "Age of Factory Masonry".

While many good men and Masons joined in this time, the Lodges essentially became factories just spitting out anyone who had the $$, and we haven't been very watchful of our Western Gate. Saying that Masonic education floundered would be putting it nicely, it was almost nonexistent. I also think that with some Lodges having members in the thousands cheapened Masonry as it didn't foresee the danger of keeping dues low and not raising them a bit with inflation.

IMO, it is also unhealthy and unmanageable to have a ton of members, as you cannot keep a successful tie with so many. Smaller Lodges are much more manageable and fraternal communication is easier.

It is sad to see Lodges close, but I think the balloon of Freemasonry expanded too quickly without any plan of sustaining it. Luckily many Masons are trying to reform Masonry to ensure its continuation. In some areas Freemasonry is expanding and growing again.

 

A lot of fraternities have declined. Rotary allowed women to join to bolster numbers. We have an Oddfellows that's about to go under. The Veteran organizations are declining, and it's not only attrition. etc

 

Could be just those two though.

Is that globally reflected?

 

Your wandering rhetoric is starting to sound a bit gibberish, although I share some of your views.

By the way, I and friends will be participating in an outdoor third degree tomorrow evening. It is done in a park five miles from a lodge. They use chairs hewen out of logs. Should be good food and good fellowship. I think we will be too busy to conspire or plot against the world! lol

 

Well, I would argue that the staggeringly disproprtionate number of Masons being represented in the White House, as evidence that Masons are often fast tracked to key roles, if they are high up enough, and have enough $, and therefore the approval of their peers.

 

There's no proof that their Masonic membership fast tracked them. Could they not be on the fast track due to their own endeavors?

 

All is possible.

A Mason also told me that it does go on, cops here would get the nod in promotion, if they were a Mason.

 

Firstly, you're not supposed to ask..... but yes I am, everyone who joins and goes through the lodge and this is as high as it gets, but I have a broad base.

I have very little to say other than, I had a good impression of masonary, as well as those masons I knew before I joined. I have seen nothing other in the following, near thirty years to change my initial impression.
Perhaps through broadning my base and knowledge has only served to reinforce my first impressions.

Regards
Highlander

 

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/texts/kabbalah.html

 

Thanks for your answer.

I cannot see why one is not 'meant to ask', is there really anything wrong with asking, or indeed conceding that one is a Freemason?

What do you get out of it, we all dedicate ourselves to something, or become part of something, because we believe we get something out of it, even if that something is an abstract thing.

What does being in the Freemasons give you, that not being in the Freemasons couldn't give you?

Jack

 

Interesting information, but my knowledge of the branches is different.

 

It's a fraternity. Fellowship, improving ourselves, helping other Masons and meeting needs in the public are examples.

 

Why not just see all of mankind as a fellowship though?

Would that not be even better?

To apply that same principle, not to Freemasons per se, but to all of mankind and nature?

 

Freemasonry give's me nothing...... it takes a lot of time and dedication.....but its all gone on long before in past generations.

I've heard it all... you get jobs, fast tracked promotion.... If a member committed any of these practices, he would be sin died.

You have a duty to all men(and Women), you have a moral obligation and personel honour to up hold.

Meetings are for like minded people, who hold the same ideas, good friendship, and most nursing a hell of a hangover the following day.

Regards
Highlander