Obama’s policy strategy: Ignore laws

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  1. Bluesguy

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    11 months ago he said Presidents do NOT have the constitutional authority to do what he just did.

    Obama July 25, 2011, not even a year ago, Speaking before La Raza on immigration reform.

    "Now, I swore an oath to uphold the laws on the books, but that doesn’t mean I don’t know very well the real pain and heartbreak that deportations cause. I share your concerns and I understand them. And I promise you, we are responding to your concerns and working every day to make sure we are enforcing flawed laws in the most humane and best possible way.

    Now, I know some people want me to bypass Congress and change the laws on my own. (Applause.) And believe me, right now dealing with Congress –

    AUDIENCE: Yes, you can! Yes, you can! Yes, you can! Yes, you can! Yes, you can!

    THE PRESIDENT: Believe me — believe me, the idea of doing things on my own is very tempting. (Laughter.) I promise you. Not just on immigration reform. (Laughter.) But that’s not how — that’s not how our system works.

    AUDIENCE MEMBER: Change it!

    THE PRESIDENT: That’s not how our democracy functions. That’s not how our Constitution is written."
    http://thecritical-post.com/blog/201...xt-tcpchicago/
     
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    obama is sitting on the good ship Hollyweird sailing off to jimmuhcawtuh land with valerie jarret as his navigator and david plouffe at the helm. He spent his time in the Ill. Senate plotting his move to the US Senate and his time there plotting his movve to the oval office with no time spent thinking about what he needed to do once there. For the last 3 and a half years he played rock star jet setter sucking up to hollyweird and marthas vineyard, perfecting his golf game and hoping no one would notice that reid and pelosi were running rampant like little kids locked in a candy store. Now he is wondering why everyone is shocked at his lack of leadership and is consumed with knee jerk reactions to criticisms from his base voters complaints that he did not do (*)(*)(*)(*) that he promised during his campaigns. With barry the buck stops somewhere over there and it is all the GOP's fault that he did not do diddly squat with immigration reforms the first two years when he had dimocratic majorities in the house and the senate.

    I seriously think he is on the verge of his campaign completely collapsing judging from that 54 minute pathetic excuse of speech he made in Cleavland which contained no new proposals, no explanation for the last three years other than to blame Republicans for the economy, no powerful arguments for why he should be re-elected, no plan for moving forward. He is flailing folks, and whatever magic he had in 2008 is most certainly gone and will not return. Seems as if his best efforts at re election now are lottery tickets with which the winner gets to have dinner with him and a hollyweird celebrity. I would not be surprised if the next step will be to include barrack obama bobblehead dolls inside cereal boxes
     
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    So what your basiccally saying is only Americans who agree with you deserve equal rights the rest should just be done away with. You see the federal government give about 1500 different benefits to married couples. So you have a choice give back those benefits and there you go arguement solved. Or keep them and discriminate against other Americans. So which will it be. I so await your answer.
     
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    Oh that's right, it's all Bush's fault. LOL
     
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    Just September of last year Obama said this:

    “This notion that somehow I can just change the laws unilaterally is not true,” Obama told Hispanic journalists at an “Open for Questions” White House roundtable. “The fact of the matter is there are laws on the books I have to enforce. And there is a great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and comprehensive immigration reform passed by perpetuating the notion that somehow by myself I can just go and do these things.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64635.html#ixzz1y6kqQ1dQ

    But that was late last year; a non-election year. Today, he'll do whatever it takes....even going back on his own statements if he thinks he can possibly pull this thing out.
     
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    his position on issues seem to evolve in direct response to his donors purse strings. To the uneducated it might seem like flip flopping but the NY Times assured me it was not the same thing, his views are simply evolving
     
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    I don't see what we need a congress for if Der Black Fuhrer is going to make up laws as he goes along.

    Amnesty for illegal aliens was debated in 2006 and defeated in congress.

    The Dream Act was so unpopular that Obama never seriously tried to get it approved by congress.

    Yet here he is granting amnesty anyway.

    This much exercise of raw executive power should bother libs also since they will not hold the White House forever.
     
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    there were two purposes behind obamas actions

    1- an attempt to show the dimocratic donors and la raza that he cares, even though he did nothing for immigrants even when he had control of the Senate and House
    2- an attempt to drive a wedge between the Latino community and the far right " ship em all back" far right voters

    he does not give two rats rectums about the Latino's themselves. otherwise he would have had pelosi and reid crafting legislation in 2009 and 2010 to do what he did Friday legally. I am hoping that the Latino community is not so stupid as to swallow this political ploy hook line and sinker even. However we can count on the the media to give obama print fellatio, while the right extremists crucify Romney on not calling for shipping em all back to Mexico
     
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    I totally wasted my vote -- not just once, but twice, on Ross Perot. My epic "fail".

    I despised Bush the Elder, the RINO, and refused to vote for him, and what did that get me? A liberal Democrat. In hindsight, Clinton actually turned out to be a pretty good president, after he and his idiot wife got slapped into reality two years later in that first mid-term election. But it's 2012 now, Pisci, and we're looking at the dreadful spectre of an America-hating hyperlib socialist plunging the country into an abyss of irrecoverable debt and ruin once he gets that precious second term, where he gets to do whatever he can get away with, with impunity! Do you want that? The country is already on life-support -- let's don't kill it by allowing another injection of King Hussein....
     
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    those who want our laws enforced are extremists? no wonder Romney wont take a position on this...
     
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    And take note of his comments I posted from last July saying the same thing.

    Will the MSM call him on it and force him to reconcile his shifting positions? I doubt it.
     
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    what shift? he didnt change the law.

    I cop got me on his radar gun doing 70 in a 65...since he didnt pull me over does that mean we changed the speed limit?
     
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    MR. LERNER: Me again. On the DREAM Act that you mentioned before, and this is like a statement from New York City: Mr. President, I am an undocumented law graduate from New York City. I'm just writing to say that your message that you do not have a dance partner is not a message of hope. A real dancer goes out on the dance floor and picks out his or her dance partner. You're just waiting. You have the facts, numbers, dollars and votes on the side of granting administrative relief for DREAMers. We are doing our part. It is time to do yours, Mr. President.

    THE PRESIDENT: I just have to continue to say this notion that somehow I can just change the laws unilaterally is just not true. We are doing everything we can administratively. But the fact of the matter is there are laws on the books that I have to enforce. And I think there's been a great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and getting comprehensive immigration passed by perpetrating the notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things. It's just not true.

    Now, what we can do is to prioritize enforcement, since there are limited enforcement resources, and say we're not going to go chasing after this young man or anybody else who's been acting responsibly and would otherwise qualify for legal status if the DREAM Act passed.

    wow what a flip flop....wait...isnt that what he did?
     
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    In is position, it was quite clear.
     
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    No shift, he said they can prioritize enforcement and that's what this is
     
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    Legal mumbo jumbo. What he has done is decide to change the law by fiat. He can take the law to court but not re-legislate. That is not within his power. The Administration will be taken to court on this for overstepping constitutional boundaries.
     
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    Complete shift, point to me where Congress pass the new provisions Obama has now declared as law.

    "The policy change will effectively enable Dream Act-eligible young people, often called DREAMers, to stay in the United States without fear of deportation, and without legislation from a Congress that is unlikely to pass a bill.

    Undocumented immigrants who came to the United States under the age of 16 and have lived in the country for at least five years can apply for the relief, so long as they are under the age of 30, according to a memo from DHS. They also must be either an honorably discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or armed forces, or a student who has graduated from high school or obtained a GED. Immigrants will not be eligible if they "pose a threat to national security or public safety," including having been convicted of a felony, a "significant" misdemeanor or multiple misdemeanors.

    Immigration and Customs Enforcement, as well as Customs and Border Protection, were instructed in a memo to immediately react by reviewing individual cases and preventing eligible immigrants from being put in removal proceedings. Those already in proceedings could be granted deferred action for two years, and then may apply for renewal. They will be given work authorization on a case-by-case basis."

    When did Congress authorize such relief and status to illegals?

    Obama July 25, 2011, not even a year ago, Speaking before La Raza on immigration reform.

    "Now, I swore an oath to uphold the laws on the books, but that doesn’t mean I don’t know very well the real pain and heartbreak that deportations cause. I share your concerns and I understand them. And I promise you, we are responding to your concerns and working every day to make sure we are enforcing flawed laws in the most humane and best possible way.

    Now, I know some people want me to bypass Congress and change the laws on my own. (Applause.) And believe me, right now dealing with Congress –

    AUDIENCE: Yes, you can! Yes, you can! Yes, you can! Yes, you can! Yes, you can!

    THE PRESIDENT: Believe me — believe me, the idea of doing things on my own is very tempting. (Laughter.) I promise you. Not just on immigration reform. (Laughter.) But that’s not how — that’s not how our system works.

    AUDIENCE MEMBER: Change it!

    THE PRESIDENT: That’s not how our democracy functions. That’s not how our Constitution is written."
    http://thecritical-post.com/blog/201...xt-tcpchicago/

    So what has changed other than he is about to face the fight of his life to remain in office and he is pandering politics?

    When will the people that support this man finally face up to the fact you cannot trust A THING this man says.
     
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    Upholding the Law is the number one responsibility of the President of the United States.....

    Its that pesky constitution that keeps Obama and Pals up at night....
     
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    I would hope that any democrats that are for this move, will sit quietly if Romney pushes through some sort of regulation like this when he becomes president.

    I say its wrong no matter who is in the White house, just can't wait to show the left wing cry baby machine when its done against them.
     
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    lol youre fillibustering I see.

    he said...

    "Now, what we can do is to prioritize enforcement, since there are limited enforcement resources"

    and you agreed...

    "Immigration and Customs Enforcement, as well as Customs and Border Protection, were instructed in a memo to immediately react by reviewing individual cases and preventing eligible immigrants from being put in removal proceedings."
     
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    There it is in black and white, the new "eligibility" requirements are not part of the law, so he is legislating new law based on whatever he wants to do.
     
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    Leftys are such suckers....

    as if Obama was ever gonna uphold the law...


    AHAHAHAHAHAHH
     
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    its no more changing the law by fiat than a traffic cop who doesnt write tickets if youre within 10 miles of the speed limit has changed the law.

    no different than his lack of enforcement of federal marijuana laws in states with medical pot laws (some restrictions apply lol)
     
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    Are you kidding me? Deciding that 800,000 illegal aliens are now not illegal is not changing the law? Give me a break.
     
  25. The Mello Guy

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    its merely prioritizing enforcement....lowest priority being those who meet the eligibility described.

    again....its like police not responding to a noise complaint violation.....they havent legalized being noisy
     

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