How liberalism causes gay teen suicides

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/29/jack-reese-gay-teen-suicide_n_1462594.html

Friends and family are mourning the death of Jack Reese, a gay Utah teen who took his own life last week after allegedly being subjected to anti-gay bullying at school.

Though details of the 17-year-old Reese's suicide are scarce, his boyfriend Alex Smith spoke frankly about the repeated bullying the teen had experienced at school. Smith, 18, reportedly recalled the incidents at a community event earlier this week at which a bullying film was being screened.

As one official is quoted as telling Ogden OUTreach off the record: “It happens here about once a week, but officially, you know, it doesn’t happen here.”

An obituary describes the teen as having been "very good with computers and loved to play his X-Box games."

"Jack loved animals and will miss his cat, Cat," the obit continues. "He was also very good with kids and loved taking care of them. Jack was learning to speak Japanese and loved anything to do with Japan. He was also very good at drawing and photography."

A Facebook group in memory of the teen has been established. "His suicide has impacted so many people," one user wrote. "I HONESTLY hope things will change because of this, but I also wish that it didn't have to come down to this for awareness to actually be seen in others who decide to bully others for their sexuality."

The local chapter of Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) expressed its sympathy to Reese's family in a statement:
"Today, along with the leaders of PFLAG Ogden and the entire community, PFLAG National mourns the loss of Jack Reese as well as the other young people in the Ogden community who have died in similar circumstances. The local chapter of PFLAG along with a broader caring group of adults have been working together tirelessly to address issues of the importance of family acceptance to the youth in this community and similar communities all over the state; sadly, the death of Jack Reese is a reminder that there is still much work to be done."

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This is another example of how liberalism is harming our youth. If this young man had had strong male figures (preferably conservative ones) in his life, then maybe he would've learned how to deal with bullies, rather than take the liberal approach of just playing the "nice guy" and ignoring it, hoping that the teachers (aka the state) would just handle all his problems - which never happened.

Liberalism is contributing to the "pussification" of male sex, and kids are growing up without strong male role models in their life, as a result they're unable to properly handle difficult situations that come up in their lives, and even believing that suicide is the only option - I feel very bad for the direction that our youth are headed.

 

Yes, because it's not like stopping bullying stops bullying or reduces the levels of bullying.

 

Liberals' idea of "stopping" bullying is = creating a bunch of state-sponsored "anti-bullying legislation" that do little or nothing to solve the problem.

Conservatives' idea of stopping bullying = teaching your son to kick some bully ass.

 

Really, I have here something that says the opposite.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.o...FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=date&resourcetype=HWCIT

 

This is a stupid thread. Completely baseless opinions. But then again that is the conservative M.O.

 

Your take on this is just plain idiotic.

My God!! You have said some stupid things. I don't know where to begin.

Have you ever known ANY person who committed suicide?

I've known MASCULINE, HETEROSEXUAL, ALPHA-MALES who have decided to take their own lives.

Man, I don't know what you THINK suicide or bullying is about, but you don't seem to know much.

 

I started it as an alternative view to the "homophobic Christian conservatives caused another gay teen suicide" threads that I'm sure will be popping up soon.

 

You missed the point - my point wasn't about a kid killing himself because he wasn't "manly" enough - it's that he obviously didn't learn how to deal with bullies - the trend today in public schools is just to rely on "anti-bullying legislation" to handle the problem, instead of teach kids how to handle bullies on their own - if he'd been my kid I'd have recommended he find and injure the people harrassing him, smash their car windows in, etc since he's a minor it wouldn't have gone on his criminal record so no great loss. Most bullies are p*ssies and just the thought of retaliation would have been enough to scare them off.

 

Great logic. Let's tell the schools, you don't have to do your job of providing a safe enviroment for your students.

 

I don't see them doing that - at worst they'll suspend the bullies, but it's not like that's some huge consequence.

 

What if someone is incapable of defending themselves or would get undue force against them if they react? E.g. if someone is gay and reacts negatively against their bullies, what if the bullies whip out a gun and shot them, or threaten to if they do anything about said bullying?

Why is it necessarily my responsibility to use force against people who are harassing me? I personally am not being harassed, but my point remains.

This of course only applies if someone is legitimately being harassed.

 

To be fair, Christian "conservative" families, such as what you mainly see in Christian private schools, tend to be extremely "horray for me and my family and (*)(*)(*)(*) you" in their attitude, on average. Christians, in my experience, are less good in character than atheists. They simply tout this "I'm a Christian" nonsense such as to alleviate guilt from themselves. They also do not do things out of the goodness of their own hearts but to satisfy their "God", for the most part.

This is all generalization and I hate Islam even more than Christianity currently, but my point remains. Obviously I am atheist.

 

Mere conjecture. You know nothing of the boy's father. For all we know, the father might be a 100 kilo building worker.

My father was a bricklayer before retiring, owner of a building company and in his day a very good professional middleweight boxer, but also a very peaceable man. We always told me not to settle disputes with my fists. Luckily I never had to resort to using my fists.

 

I agree with your sentiments here; if I had a child (which I never want to do) I would not encourage them to engage in violence unless imminent danger of violence was involved. It doesn't count as truly loving someone to encourage them to engage in risky behavior. What I would do, is pursue repercussions against any harassing people and do whatever means necessary to avoid those (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)bags getting revenge for said repercussions, and increase the self-esteem/confidence/security of the kid in any way possible.

 

You really need to stop Reading Richard Dawkins and Chris Hitchens and get out a little more if you believe that - only people like that out of touch with reality enough to believe that Christians do good things to "satisfy their god".

No wonder I'm not an atheist - I'd probably be a huge shut-in if I believe that the 95% of the American population which is religious actually have some middle-aged view like that. Atheists could really benefit from some lessons in anthropology.

 

It's about learned helplessness. That's what this kid was taught -- that there was nothing effective to be done about a bully. Sure, he could tell the teacher. Two Problems: 1. Kids see that as a confession of weakness, and 2. The teacher is practically helpless as he cannot do anything other than file a report and hope the kid get sent out of school (to play X-Box rather than study, somehow this counts as punishment). So what's left for a child who knows that no matter what happens, he loses? He gets depressed. He's not eager to go to school, and he's afraid all the time. I could see how this would lead to suicide. When you figure out that the only possible solutions to a problem don't work, it makes you feel helpless.

 

If it was my kid I'd have him take the violent route and risk injury over just take it up the *ss - at least he'd have the self-confidence in knowing he didn't let himself be victimized.

 

Is there really a phenomenon in America where people are regularly bullied for being gay? I never realized America was still that backward socially, this really isn't a common thing in Australia.

 

Hmmmm in most schools today when you resort to violence the police are called in. No tonly is the child introuble but also the Parents. Have you not been around inthe last 15 years. I willing to bet that the school turned a blind eye to the bully and told the child not to do anything or he would be in trouble. That is usually how it works. Gays generally speaking come from a very alfa male house hold. What type of father figue has no bearing wether you are gay or straight to think otherwise is childish

 

If he beats up a bully before he turns 18 and gets arrested, it won't go on his adult record

 

America is still behind the rest of the world on a lot of things.

Sad, really.

 

This thread should be preserved as a warning. Living proof that extreme conservatism causes brain rot.

 

So according to you, those military members who have committed suicide due to PTSD are victims of the liberal "pussification" of the male gender?

 

Hardly what he is saying here. I have PTSD myself from my daze in combat, but my military experience has nothing to do with the maturation process of pussified kids who were raised by liberal parents. Combat troops commit suicide as a result of engagement in 'fighting', whereas pussified teens commit suicide because of their unwillingness to 'fight.' Quite a difference with the two case scenarios there.

 

What does that have to do with this thread?

I wasn't saying that "anyone who kills themself is a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)" - I was saying that these high school kids probably aren't growing up with a strong male figure in their lives to teach them how to properly cope with bullying - and the left wing solution to bullying is just to rely on the state to solve the problem with "anti-bullying legislation" - kids need to develop a good set of morals and life skills from a young age, and they're not getting enough of that in this day and age.