President Obama: The Biggest Government Spender In World History

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  1. Trinnity

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    It's his blinding arrogance perhaps. Or "the ends justifies the means". Or maybe he's just such a liar, he's lost any sense of responsibility.
    Answer: all of the above.

    Whatever the case, no president has ever been so out of touch with reality. No president has ever been such a threat to our fiscal solvency. None, hands down.

    And no president has ever been such a blight on our liberty, prosperity, and the ideals this country was founded upon.
     
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    Is there anyone who will attempt to refute this?
     
  3. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    The proposed Romney (Ryan) budget for 2013 is virtually identical in dollars to the Obama budget so I guess we should be condemning both of them equally, eh? The fact is that both Republicans and Democrats are BIG SPENDING LARGE GOVERNMENT advocates. There really isn't much difference between the two except that Obama wants to increase taxes to help reduce the deficits and the Republicans don't want to take effective measures to reduce the deficits. The fact is that we need a combined $900 billion in tax increases and expendature reductions in 2013 and that isn't being proposed by either Romney or Obama.

    Republicans and Democrats are just opposite sides of the same coin when it comes to BIG GOVERNMENT SPENDING. Anyone that doesn't recognize this fact simply isn't paying attention.
     
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    Double post.
     
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    There have been countless threads that easily refute this faulty premise.

    If you remove spending legacies that predate the current administration, Obama's policies are considerably less than Reagan, Bush I and Bush II.

    Taking a raw number and saying "See Look! It's higher than it's been!!!" is ridiculous and just an attempt to misinform and mislead.

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    Better pay more attention.....
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    Raw spending means absolutely nothing. It only matters as a % of GDP.
     
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    Dr. Righteous Well-Known Member

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    Liberals...and anybody else who cares about stopping neo-conservative misinformation.
     
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    Which is the highest it has ever been since WWII and estimated by the CBO to go higher than that.
     
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    Your graph is not labeled properly. It's out of date. You didn't cite any sources.
     
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    Dr. Righteous Well-Known Member

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    That means nothing. You could say the same thing about almost every year since WWII.
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    Every President in the past 60 years has been the biggest spending President in history at their time. And yes, it is 100% fact that Obama has increased Govt spending by the lowest % amount in the past 60 years. Conservatives aren't huge fans of facts though. Lots of baseless subjective opinions and ignorance... which was clearly demonstrated by your post.

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    Of course to believe such nonsense......is to believe Obama doesnt want to spend more.......

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    .....but reality shows he does. Make sure you continue to ignore it....
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    Yes, But I know you won't listen or even try to understand what I say. The reason he left out 2009 is that govt spending is allocated a year in advance, so the money spent in 2009 was actually allocated in 2008 when G Bush was still president. All this crap about Obama spending all this money is just that. First, the president cannot spend any money. Congress is in charge of the purse strings. The president can only make suggestions on how it should be spent. Second, the only real money he was allowed to spend was for the stimilus, which both republicans and democrats agreed needed to be done to avoid a total collaspe of our economy. Also the auto bailout who all agree was a success and has been mostly paid back. There has been no new budget since he took office. They have been a series of continuing resolutions to keep govt going meaning they just continue using the previous years budget. SO... we are basically still using the Bush budget. Spending has not increased to cause the deficits, Revenues have declined due to all the people out of work. I hear people say ObamaCare is bankrupting the country. How short their memories are. Even Democratic Senators like Evan Bayh of Indiana was saying " I can only vote for if if it does not balloon the deficit" As it turns out he required it to be deficit neutral, meaning it could not cost anything. In the end the CBO scored it as reducing the deficit by 100 billion over 10 years. With all the people out of work and unemployment benifits running out, Republicans demanded that to pay for an extension cuts would have to be made else where. Now I not saying they should not be paid for, but it seems strange comming from the same clowns who had no problem racking up the national credit card debt during the Bush years with 2 wars on the card and a costly drug benifit which benifited the drug companies and did little to help seniors. Then we had John McCain put his campaign on hold so he could return to Washington and deal with a finincial crisis which many thought could cause our system to collapse. This was the state of affairs when Obama took office. The same people who caused this problem all of a sudden turn in to fiscal conservatives. From day one the republicans have done all they could to block any attempt to try and get our economy back in order by record number of fillibusters in the senate to where nothing is getting done..NO... Obama has not spent us into this problem. My biggest worry is if Rommney wins the WH, and the Democrats play the same game the republicans have for the last three years, By just blocking everything he tries to do, we are all going to be in the poor house.
     
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    Obama's budget would be awesome!! I'm just saying the OP is delusional if she thinks Obama has been the biggest spending President we've ever had. If she is referring to nominal terms than of course he is since every President has been the biggest spending President for the past 60 years every year they were in office. But for "increasing" spending, Obama is by far the lowest. Not even close. He is the biggest fiscal conservative we have had in 6 decades. What a coincidence, your theory makes the economy suck. Why do you hate America?
     
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    Actual spending

    Bush 2008, $2,982.5 TRILLION.

    Bush 100 days of 2009, $963.7 billion
    b.o. 265 days of 2009, $2,553.85 TRILLION.

    b.o. 365 days of 2010, $3,456.2 TRILLION.

    b.o. 365 days of 2011, $3,603.1 TRILLION

    b.o. 365 days of 2012, $3,795.6 TRILLION. THIS LAST IS THE ONLY ESTIMATE, the rest are actual figures.

    The 2009 spending resulted from the Democrat controlled Congress rejecting Bush's budget proposal calling for $400 billion in deficit spending. Then the Democrat controlled Congress could NOT agree to an alternate proposal to Bush's budget proposal until BUSH had left office. The FY 2009 budget, THE LAST BUDGET PASSED BY A DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED LEGISLATATIVE BODY, was the budget that resulted in a total spending of $3,517.7 TRILLION, and a record high deficit of $1,412.7 TRILLION. Contained in the FY 2009 budget passed by a Democrat Senate and a Democrat House and signed by a Democrat president obama was a bill called the Stimulus Bill of $800 billion dollars. That bill was passed by a partisan vote in Feb 2009, after Bush had left. And the budget was passed and signed by obama in Mar. 2009, again after BUSH had left.
     
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    In reality Obama hasn't spent enough money! We need at least a trillion dollar or more stimulus that is strictly for infrastructure construction and job training. Absolutely no more tax breaks for the rich. Its time to put the money back in the hands of the people that make our economy, The middle class. While at the same time taking money out of the hands of those who destroy our economy. The 1%.
     
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    <<<mod edit>>>

    Total Government Expenditures 2008: $3.115 trillion

    FACT: Since Obama's first year in office he has increased spending by the least amount out of any President in the past 60 years.
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    course most of the money was spent on two wars republicans started, and of course cleaning up the mess republicans made

    now subtract that spending and what exactly has Obama spent?



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    repubs know the truth, they just don't want to believe it
     
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    The TRUTH is in post #21. Liberals cannot even recognize the truth when its presented to them.
     
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    Fine, then raise taxes on everyone to increase federal revenues by $1.9 trillion to pay for the projected $900 billion 2013 deficit plus an additional $1 trillion to fund this expendature.

    BTW this is more money than the 1% possess so the average worker is going to have to pony up a few more thousand dollars in taxes.
     
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    It's at 100% of GDP now.
     
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    Oh yeah, y'all. Keep telling me what a fiscal conservative Obama is.
    The bottom line is we're broke and the dems keep asking for more taxes to pay for more spending.
    Anyone see Obama's last 2 proposed budgets? LOLOL

    The dems want more spending and get it by doing nothing. Creating new bureaucracies is one way. More regulations is another. Meanwhile we're more broke every day and the only end result is more spending and more taxes. There's only one way out. Global collapse and start over. But how unpleasant that will be, and it could have been avoided.
     
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    Yeah and according to you Republicans had nothing to do with it. You have been shown numbers and facts to refut your statements which is what you asked for. Obama has not spent anymore money than he had to. I do not like spending money we dont have but it was better than the alternative which you champion and I promise you that you would not like it.
     

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