Racism and Homophobia Should be Banned

I agree. Its not a pleasant subject. But as you point out its too subjective a thing to moderate, except in severe obvious cases. Subtle racism is difficult to call, because what is racist to one individual is not racist to another. Accusing someone of racism is a judgment call and I have always maintained that all of us are influenced by many things from beliefs to the environment we grew up in. What if the offender really did not know that what he was saying would be considered racist by the racism police? And who gets to pick the racism judge? I being a white southern male may want a white preacher take that job! Ha ha...Not really. Maybe a computer could make a racist accusation ? A machine would not have any emotional influences and would strictly go by the book. But who gets to write the book. Who gets to write the computer program? See its difficult!

One thing that gets my FTLs in a wad is that even if a fact is true one can be accused of racism. Something like saying that blacks are better at sports (if a scientific study confirmed that). Or that Asians and Jews are slightly more intelligent than blacks in some areas*, again if it was validated by a scientific study (there was a recent study that said exactly that, and the researcher, a respected PhD was ridiculed and worse for revealing the results of the tests. Whites scored lower than the Jews and tied the Asians... eek! Jimmy the greek was fired because he said he thought blacks were superior to whites in some sports due to selective breeding during the slave days. He wasn't being malicious so why was that racist. If I were black I would not be offended by any of those things except maybe the IQ thing. I think that a if someone is going to be accused of racism there should be some element of meanness or bad behavior evident. Is that wrong? Anyway I am digressing, but still wondering...

* I have never agreed that IQ tests are a infallible indicator of true intelligence. It was those kinds of tests that the researcher used in the study. Her name fails me but I am searching for it in case someone wants to read the information.

reva

 

Who's going to ban 'em? While you have capitalism your masters are going to need groups who can be attacked to take attention off thier crimes, obviously.

 

agree it is very subjective but when judges in court decide they usually put more weight on one side or the other, i merely suggested that more weight or favor be given to the side of the oppressed in decisions of this subject but that would be biased and the best thing to do is work towards objectivity so you are right.

 

yesterday at the Goodwill store...i get a lot of my reading material there, a black woman came in with a donation. She wanted to leave it at the front of the store and not the drop off site. Clerk said, 'maam we can't take that up here, if you drive it around to the drop off door they can help you.' Little while later the black 'lady' came back and said to the clerk as, I was standing there checking out....'you ungrately white (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)'.

all for just being told as everyone is, that the drop off point is in the rear of the store.

 

Only whites can be racist. Everybody knows this.......except Liberals of course. They are masters at denying reality.

 

I am happy we agree! I was afraid I would get a bunch of replies calling me racist, ha ha!

reva

 

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I have met all different colors and sorts of racists. So your experience did not surprise me. Here in the south its not as bad as is popularized in media etc. In fact the area of the south I live in (way East TN in hillbilly mountain land) is not as racist redneck as some northern places I have visited, like Hartford CT and south bend Indiana (just north of Chicago Ill.) Not to make a blanket statement I will say the people I met while there were heavily anti black, but I spent time with a fairly exclusive group, ie young twenty somethings that partied a lot. Yeah it was before I got saved. So, the general population may not follow my experience.

reva

 

Can you give an specific example of clear cut racism. I am not sure it is even against the rules but I agree it should be. That includes all kinds of racism (should be banned).

Again do you have an specific example in mind? I am not picking on you but I just haven’t seen what you are describing here. I probably frequent different threads than you.

The reason I despise Obama has zero to do with race and everything to do with his policies. In anger or for revenge of a slur I may stoop to calling him dumbama or a goon or similar insulting bad taste semi expletives. However, if a lily white protestant male did the same things obama has done or not done I would say the same things, probably worse things about him or her. (I am careful not to say anything that can be construed as racist)

Libertarian party, you do mean the party that calls for less and smaller government and freedom and liberty? Personally I am a independent with heavy leanings towards libertarian ideals. I do not know of any where on this site where it enforces any party. I think its non-partisan in nature. The subjectivity of the site moves to the right and left mostly depending on what moderators are selected or are working IMO. I know of at least one moderator that would disagree, but the mods do inject subjectivity into all decisions that are not clear cut black and white, even if they attempt to be non subjective. Maybe that is what you mean instead of feeling this sites staff etc having an malicious racist agenda?

 

If racists are banned, does this mean white people are all banned??? Because as EVERYBODY knows already, only white people can be racists.

And only white people can be homophobes too. So this seems like banning whiteness. Maybe we should??? Maybe white liberals should just commit suicide in mass???

 

Left and right shouldn't come into this. I agree that it would be idiotic to say that not voting for Barak would make you racist (though I've never seen someone say that). And even gay marriage isn't a completely two-sided issue of gays and supporters vs conservatives, because even some gay people don't want gay marriage because they see it as an outdated institution that they don't see the point of changing for the purpose of fitting them in.

 

Asians, Indians, - ANYONE - can be a racist. Racism to white people or black people or any group should be banned.

 

Just weighing in on the thread topic.

I don't think having a certain belief is worthy of a ban, even if those beliefs are extreme or controversial. What matters is how the person with those potentially offensive beliefs conducts themselves. If they are making personal attacks, then that's probably worthy of mod action. If they are just stating their beliefs though, I can't be for banning on that alone.

We'll never get rid of racism or homophobia, or any of the other bigoted belief systems, by shutting off dialogue. It may be offensive to see and read, but this is a sometimes offensive world that we live in. There is always the option to ignore posts from the person with the beliefs you find offensive. Again, if it's going beyond a statement of belief and becoming personal attacks on forum members, or obvious flame baiting, then I feel mod action would be justified, though obviously that's up to the mod's discretion.

 

Let's not and say we did.

 

So if jews, zionists, and blacks are racist against whites, then we can ban them???

Racism must be a POWERFUL weapon, WOW!!!!! How do we control who gets to ban who??? How do we get to claim "DATS RACSIS?!" Do we flop on the ground, in front of a referee, pretending that we're being abused? Do we act like victims, pathetic and meek, in front of authority figures? Who are the authority figures, which race are they???

 

I think the concern with many is when they cannot make a political point without using a racist slur. Thats the issue!

 

Homophobia is a dumb made-up word. I recognize that homosexual sex is a sin. I have no phobia.

A phobia is a "fear". I have no fear of homosexuals, I only have the knowledge that homosexual sex is a sin and same sex attraction is a diorder.

The despicable thing about that word is that it makes the person with the disorder out to be normal, and the normal person out to be disordered. The minute I hear that word some out of someone's mouth, I know that person has no credibility.

 

You don't "know" that person has no credibility, you "think" that person has no credibility. I realize that may just seem like semantics, but it's not. You don't "know" opinions because opinions are not facts. You know facts, like E=mc2 or that salt is a good preservative(just the first two examples that popped in my head, probably because I've been reading about astrophysics lately, and there's a bag of salt & vinegar chips on my desk).

 

I think homosexuals just hate heterosexual people. We should call this "Heterophobia".

I think Semites just hate non-Semitic people. We should call this "Europhobia".

 

Okay, I don't "know" with 100% metasphysical certitude as John Mclaughlin likes to say, but I am 99.999999% sure, and thats good enoough for me.

But what I DO know is that its a stupid word designed to make the person with the disorder out to be normal, and the normal person out to be disordered.

 

There you go again, assuming a person has a disorder.

I could just as easily say YOU have a disorder, and then back it up with my own subjective reasoning just like you have. It doesn't make me right, it just makes me a prick.

 

I'm curious what figures you have supporting this (ahem) wild hypothesis.

My understanding is that, by and large, "Red States" benefit most from the Federal Taxes from "Blue States", via social programs, etc, and rarely the other way around.

This obviously only applies in the USA, but would indicates your statement is "skewed" to say the least.

 

Okay.

I agree with OP, but on the other hand racists and homophobes are so entertaining! I know it's different on the receiving end, but they're hoot to engage! Cheap entertainment was never so good.

So about this bomb I was thinking of building with the funds I'm laundering from my heroin sales..... <<< JUST KIDDING FFS

 

I am not assuming.
Same-sex attraction IS a disorder

 

dis·or·der
&#8194; &#8194;[dis-awr-der]
noun
1.
lack of order or regular arrangement; confusion: Your room is in utter disorder.
2.
an irregularity: a disorder in legal proceedings.
3.
breach of order; disorderly conduct; public disturbance.
4.
a disturbance in physical or mental health or functions; malady or dysfunction: a mild stomach disorder.

Yep, I don't see anything in these definitions that apply to homosexuality, so what definition of disorder are you using?