The United States was founded on Christian Principles...

Obama: listen up and pay attention...

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We are not founded upon Christianity. We are founded upon Enlightenment ideals.

 

Well certainly, Obama is going to visit this website to listen to a video you posted here.....

lol...

 

If you really want to know the truth, this country was technically founded by Native Americans. White European history in the USA began with the Smith bunch in Virgina. Most on the ship, which finally landed in Jamestown, VA. were unwanted criminals clogging the prison system. The Pilgrims presented themselves as pious and humbe..as they stole the corn from the Indans that first T Day. Ever wonder why corn isn't served at the first T' day? Guilt perahps.

 

I respectfully disagree.

 

I'm talking about the United States of America, not the colonies.

 

Then you can be respectfully wrong.

 

Wishful thinking on your part.

 

Not really, it's just knowing what Enlightenment is, and how it applies to the US.

 

Have you ever thought about the idea of the co-existence of Christian Founding and Enlightenment? They are somewhat related. I know that Enlightenment certainly played a part in U.S. history, but so did Christain principles and faith.

 

Surely, like most civilized men in the Eighteenth Century, your leading Tax-dodging Founders were deists rather than Christians, believing, as then seemed logical, in a Great Clockmaker who set the Universe up and then went off to do something more interesting?

 

You're just ticked off at the Revolutionary War and our Independence from tyrannical Kings.

 

Most of the founding fathers where fundementalist Christians. Only the famous ones where associated with deism and enlightenment anti-religious sentiment. Even with that said, those who where anti-religious...

Where aiming their resentment at the Papacy and the Church of England, as opposed to Christianity in General.

 

The Great Architech of the Universe can be related to the diety of your preference. Allah, Buddha, Jesus, Yeweh, Jehova, whatever. It is generic in the sense that it gives no particular endorsement to any particular belief, diety or faith.

But the founding Fathers, just like most of the Anglo colonists, were conditioned and brought up on christian/judeo values and teachings. But there was a strong push for religious freedom as to not render the populous of being yoked to any particular religion. Therefore, christianity was intentionally not sanctioned as the "official" religion or belief system. Efforts were made to communicate that clearly.

 

I thought that was when your current set-up was founded, after the tax-dodging war. Which tyrannical kings did you set up then?

 

Deism does tend to take it for granted that the Grand Architect has downed tools and won't intervene any more though, which contradicts most religions. I've never understood what 'Judeo-Christian' is meant to mean, though I can see that American fundamentalists are not Christian in any normal sense. I don't think the Grand Architect is very obviously compatible with Buddhism either. Incidentally, to answer a point you didn't raise, it was the leading figures I was thinking about, even back then in the days when only 10% attended Church, if I read my Economist correctly.

 

You're probably right about the Buddism. I admit I know very little about that religion. But my understanding is that T.G.A.T.O.U. was symbolic of whatever diety one choses to believe in and not a particular diety in and of itself.

I submit that this nation was more founded on the tenents of Freemasonry than on any particular religion or diety.

 

Tax dodging because the colonies had no part in their governing. We never had kings here.

 

Really? What do you call the speration of powers?

 

Just because the nation was founded using SOME christian principles, does NOT make it a christian nation. Just thought I would point that out.

 

Considering the fact that the Adams Adminsitration and Congress stated in the Treaty of Tripoli that "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen." I find it enlightening that the official motto for our country was not: "In God We Trust" but "E Plurbis Unum" or Of many, One. "In God We Trust" was the result of a 1950's COngress caving into fundamentalists scared of Communist Atheism. While the majority of the founders did have a faith in a Christian god, they also understood the need to keep religion and government away from each other. This is also apparent in the Constitution where they specifically state that "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. (Article IV, Paragraph 3).

 

You had an army defending you and losing their lives for your rich but, as always, you were against taxes to pay for it. Plus ca change!

 

Those are two different animals. Yes, this nation consists of several different religious views.

 

Yes, different vies. I guess most people are Christians so far. And when the US was being formed practically all of them were Christians whatever the denomination.

 

The facts are there were no followers of Islam, Buddah or Hindu, Shintoist, etc... among the Founding Fathers or any significant leader of the original US government.

The whole seperation of church and state was a response to the Catholic-Protestant fights in Europe, and the systems of Constitutional and regular monarchies which every European country had at the time.

There were no Christian hating liberals, that are so prevalent today, writing any of the laws. It is pure fantasy on the part of liberals like yourself that America was founded by anti-Christians like themselves.

The French Revolution, on the other hand WAS lead by liberal socialists---and that turned out so well.