How The Tea Party Thrives When OWS Failed

Simple. The Tea Party stayed on-topic and came off as solid citizens with a clear agenda. OWS was just recycled hippies.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-the-tea-party-beat-occupy-wall-street-2012-08-21

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“Whatever your opinion of either movement, there’s no denying that the tea party is more focused and influential.”

“…every Republican running for anything worried about gaining tea-party support. And for good reason .”

“…the biggest problem with the Occupy protests is the movement itself.”
“It (OWS) has no message.”
“It’s too weird.”
“It’s threatening.”
“It’s a leftist, socialist, union-driven, Obama-driven, Democratic party-driven effort.”

“…the tea party influences policy and politics while OWS spends its time trying explain why it’s such a nuisance: OWS doesn’t have a plan.”

“The tea party’s anti-tax view may be oversimplified, but it’s clear.
That’s why the tea party is effective.”

Taxcutter says:
At the end of the day OWS is like Trayvon Martin and all the trivial distractions the Dems try to use to camouflage Obama’s horrible record. OWS is just “Look! A squirrel!” writ kookily.

 

OWS isn't gone... it is being transformed into something more 'politically' effective (as we speak). I think that the "Tea Party" is essentially too narrow and rigid in its focus and goals; it isn't malleable enough to adapt and move forward into the future. It's overly "Conservative".

 

The Tea Party is indeed not malleable when it comes to tolerating more government.

OWS is as dead as OJ's acting career. Recycled hippies have exceeded their shelf life.

 

The OWS was, is and always will be a joke and not the funny kind. OWS is a bunch of punks and spoiled brats that want the world handed to them on a silver platter and are willing to use the fact nobody will cater to their demands to act out, destroy things, hurt people, and waste tax payer money. (*)(*)(*)(*), no matter how much you try to "transform" it, is still (*)(*)(*)(*), and the OWS movement, much like a bowel movement, is nothing but (*)(*)(*)(*).

Don't get me wrong. If liberals want to get together and voice their demands and concerns, that is fine. If they want to act like the OWS, break the laws, and act like punks, they shouldn't be surprised when they get pepper sprayed or treated poorly. They should also not be surprised when nobody takes them seriously. The reason the Tea Party has achieved success is because they have a clear message, they don't act like jerks (although I am sure there is the occasional exception), and they obey the law instead of making a point to harass the law.

 

It will either adapt to reality, or cease to be.

 

It is rooted in reality. You folks on the other side have been used to things moving constantly toward socialist ideals because there was a Republican Progressive or a Democrat Progressive running the show. The truth is, we discovered this only after many years of being slowly boiled and it came to light finally with GW Bush. There is a real and serious movement away from everything you and other progressives think of as facts of life in America. You don't see it yet because you mistakenly think these are fringe ideas. The fringe ideas are OWS ideas and the time has come for people to take a real stand.

I can pretty much guarantee more will stand with the people who protest peacefully and respect this country enough that when they do gather in public, they leave the area of meeting as clean as(if not cleaner) then when they arrived. People aren't stupid, they can see what is right in front of their face.

 

No, not completely. Each group of people has its members who are FAR over to one side (unrealistic). Everyone is not leaning to your views in complete agreement.

Unfortunately, many are on the far Right are nothing less than super negative and politically volatile (Todd Akin, being the latest example); the very kind of thing that drove me away from neo-conservatism in the first place. Extremists and separatists don't appeal to most Americans.

You folks on the other side have been used to things moving constantly toward socialist ideals...[/quote]
No. Many you agree with, have moved WAY TOO FAR to the Right. There are Republicans who realize that and are realizing it more and more.

The actual conclusions remain to be seen. But I would agree that many will 'contribute' to the final outcomes. No one side will get their way completely.

 

Most Conservatives do not understand the Cultural War, as the 2012 Election is another stage of the fight between left wing totalitarianism and the revolutionary concept of liberty. When Conservatives discuss issues, they consistently win. Liberal idealism and social engineering is simply not pragmatic. I so respect the Tea Party because it offers a voice of reason, demands accountability, and fights vociferously to win. The Democratic Media complex looks to chastise the Tea Party as racist bigots, because they fear actively engaged free Americans.

 

Exactomondo! Most of the Conservatives I see posting on this forum are very well aware of the cultural war going on between the two major parties. I have myself posted many times comparing the idealistic fight between we patriotic Constitutional loving individualistic Americans and our common enemy the multicultural politically correct crowd which is almost entirely composed of socialists, liberals, commies, progressives, atheists and the like.

 

Let's be honest here. OWS is a bunch of free-loading leftists. America saw what they were about by observing their behavior of violence, threats, intimidation, lack of sanitation, drug-dealing, overdoses, sexual assault, etc.

That is not America.

Tea Party patriots simply wanted limited, responsible government that spends our money wisely.

That IS America.

 

Actually, you have it reversed. America's government will either adapt to reality (we're broke, the wasting of money needs to stop or at least slow down drastically) or it will cease to be (as it is today, anyway)

 

Johnny, so long as the Tea Party's focus stays on the right things (as we see them), those of us who believe in "Overly Conservative" as not just a political theory but a principle of life will generally tend to support their candidates. It's when they become malleable and adapt that they will find themselves no longer having support from the Right.

 

Richard Lugar was "malleable" and he won't be a Senator much longer.

 

Focused because they don't take nuanced positions. All taxes are bad even during a recession. All abortion is bad even when raped. All socialism is bad even though their precious Jesus practiced it, etc. etc. etc.
But that doesn't mean they are more influential. They just don't think things thru; hence their positions are stagnant.............focused, as you say.

 

Right and Wrong are not maleable positions. They don't change simply because they are inconvenient or unpopular. That doesn't mean they are necessarily ABSOLUTE. There can be extenuating circumstances. I can't say that I've really ever seen any average person on the Right Wing end of the spectrim who says that all taxes are bad or that there is no situation where termination of a pregnancy is acceptable. Politicians and talking heads, definitely; but not those of us who are the average Right Wing voter.

 

tea party is just republicans new name for themselves as they have dirtied all the others, they have to change names like some people change shirts


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Even so, time has shown us that things (even values/goals of individuals and nations) change.

We'll see what comes of things.

 

I think that is generally true.

 

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist, a brain surgeon, or a fortune teller to see that the road we're on is not leading this nation anywhere that we should want to be.

 

In ANY case, there will be 'compromises'.

 

Right things are more power to corporations, more inequality, less rights for people?...

 

There are good and bad things. Nothing new about that. We'll make turns, fight for changes and work out problems. That is reality.

 

Your (single) view of America, isn't all that America is or must be. That's reality.

 

That all depends on who the people are and who the corporations are, kilgram. At least in my mind. Then again I'm an Isolationist, a Nationalist, a Traditionalist, and a Moralist who is so Right-Wing he borders on being Authoritarian.

The reality is that for the last century we've gone the wrong way on pretty much every decision we've made. That doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in me for us making the right decisions in the future.

 

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