Next US Credit Rating Downgrade

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    By Moodys.

    Here is the key to rating downgrades.

    Moody’s Expects To Cut US Rating Without Deal To Lower Debt/GDP Ratio.

    Democrats think the only way to do that is to increase taxes putting more strain on a faltering economy and increased government spending (investments in dem speak).

    Republicans think the only way is to cut taxes, or at least not increase them to spur the economy and reduce spending.

    The way I see it is that the tax increases that the Dems want, even if fair, will not come close to tackling the problem of debt/GDP ratio. Military spending can be reduced without wars, but not by as much as people think. The elephant in the room is the "third rail" in politics, entitlement spending. The unfunded liability tops 80 trillion or in other words, the government projects that it has 80 trillion in spending that revenue projections will not cover. Of course most of this could be gotten rid of instantly if Congress changed the terms of SS or Medicare or got rid of them entirely but since no one thinks that will happen and progressives want more, it will only increase.
     
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    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

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    Feel the success of Obamanomics!!! Obama! Obama! Obama!!!! Alpha-Omega!!!
     
  3. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    Obama Akbar !!!
     
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    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    Cut taxes and then increase the DOD and DHS budgets...this makes what kind of sense again? Maybe...just maybe...people might take Republicans seriously if they slashed every budget extensively and then also cut taxes. Just a thought.
     
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    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

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    What about cutting social spending? You aren't a liberal are you?
     
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    What happens when the Treasury has an auction for debt instruments and nobody shows up?
     
  7. way2convey

    way2convey Well-Known Member

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    This is inevitable under Obamanomics. But Obama will play the victim, blame it on republican obstructionists and the media will follow through with pointed accusations directed at Rep's, not dem's, in Congress.
    Obama will get a pass and continue his campaign without ever having to seriously address the issue. Unless, of course, you count those hard hitting questions posed by Vanity Fair.
     
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    It benefits no one to do anything. It benefits no one to do nothing. End game.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    more like republicans blockonomics, if you want to blame Obama you have to let Obama call the shots, if your party blocks Obama, then it's all on your party
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree, time to cut social spending on the RICH, time for them to pay the same tax per dollar as the working class
     
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    Agreed. Now define rich.
     
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    keymanjim New Member Past Donor

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    Anybody that makes more than $50,000 and DOESN'T donate to progressive campaigns.
     
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    Another stimulus will not really benefit the debt/GDP ratio considering it will be 1/<1 without any direct tax revenue associated.
     
  14. GraspingforPeace

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    Actually, it would be pretty (*)(*)(*)(*) easy to knock down our debt if we start cutting military spending (not sure why you think it can't be reduced too much besides the military industrial complex's hold over the Administration's defense budget), and increasing the marginal tax rates back to Clinton levels. Or even Reagan-esque levels.
     
  15. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because doing both of those do not dent the coming spending on entitlements. That is the real problem.
     
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    The problem is more complex and a number of neccessary steps includiing deleting proping of too big to fail is outlined in a Romney-Rayan proposal.
     
  17. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not sure what you are saying. Try re-phrasing it.
     
  18. Pgraphicx

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    It will happen on Obama's watch and he doesn't know what to do about it. I guess he will blame it on Bush or Romney. A downgrade will just grease the skids on the downhill slide we are on.
     
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    Like the 49% who pay no income tax? Brilliant.
     
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    Cut the entitlement state welfare. You know. The stuff no enumerated in the Constitution?
     
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    How awful.

    For God's sake, let's elect a bunch of rigid ideolouges who will not compromise one inch on what they want.

    It's our only hope.
     
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    It t'ain't gonna make any no never mind ... deficits ain't matter.
     
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    Raise taxes to clinton era, cut spending in social and military.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If the Govt were to collect the same % of GDP in revenues as it did in 2000, when the economy was enjoying the longest boom in post WWII history, revenue collections would be about $750-800 billion higher.

    That comes pretty close in my view.
     
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    You must be talking about all the democrats that have refused to vote on an Obama budget, huh?
     

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