http://www.eclectablog.com/2012/09/paul-ryans-promise-to-make-life-more-difficult-for-women.html#.UGL8UuxKYFg.reddit How do you prevent abortion? You don't ban it. You don't make it illegal. You make sure that women have healthcare, a high school education, and access to contraceptives. I have never understood the rights animus toward sexual educations programs in high schools. Or their fervent fight against contraceptives. If you want the number of abortions to decrease, you make contraceptives more available. Simple.
Better yet lobby the drug companies to make an EFFECTIVE, SIMPLE and EFFICIENT male contraceptive so that both sides can take equal responsibility for contraception and not just have (some males - especially on this forum) blaming women for "being lazy" and "sluts" but not saying one word about the fact that it "takes two to tango" But you are very very right about the legislation - I live in Queensland Australia and we have an odd circumstance here - abortion is illegal but the PROCEDURE (which is the same used for partial miscarriage) is funded by the federal government so we have a very accurate idea of how many procedures are done - and guess what?? http://www.fpq.com.au/pdf/abortion_statistics.pdf
Oh no, I completely agree with you, its as much the guys fault as the womans. There is an effective male contraceptive. Condoms, as well as keeping your pants on in the first place. However, there is an undue burden on the female in these situation as she has to actually carry the child. She also has the ability to say no if the male refuses to wear a condom.
Unfortunately condoms have a fairly high failure rate - in the "typical use" that is possibly because of, apparently 6 six different reasons
These women certainly need to be educated about the importance of using condoms (and abstinence) and what an abortion actually involves (=murder), but what does high school education have to do with preventing pregnancies? I support contraceptives, even if the taxpayer has to provide them for free, but we need to honestly look at the facts: the vast majority of abortions resulted from sexual intercourse that didn't involve a condom, and nearly half of these women never even bothered to use any form of contraceptive whatsoever. These women knew better. It wasn't that they "couldn't afford them". They simply decided not to take the appropriate measures to prevent a pregnancy.
I agree with you, thus I also support education. The fact is the higher the level of education the most likely informed and intelligent decision making becomes. So in essence the three reinforce each other in the process of preventing unwanted pregnancies and thus decreasing the number of abortions.
Give me a break there, do you need education to pull the hell out and/or use a sperm killer afterwards ?
The type of education these women need is specific education about contraceptive use, proper lifestyle choice, and morality. Just because they get high school diplomas does not mean they won't get themselves pregnant. This account of Hispanic American women clearly illustrates this point: Someone needs to tell these women that this "tea" is not an adequate means of birth control! Apparently university students can be just as stupid and ill-informed.
I am not certain that increased access-to/availability of contraception is going to do much to curb the number of abortions that are performed in this country. You can tell foolish, stupid, young, immature people not to drive drunk, and even give them a card with the phone numbers of all the local cab companies. But chances are they will still drive drunk. You can tell foolish, stupid, young, immature people not to text while driving, and even give them literature on wireless, hands-free bluetooth capabilities. But chances are they will still text while driving. And you can tell foolish, stupid, young, immature people not to have unprotected sex, and even follow them around all day, sticking condoms in their back pockets. But chances are they will still have unprotected sex. "Pregnancies and STD's happen to other people. Not to me." "If you really love me, you'll let me stick it in without a rubber on it. It feels so much better." "I don't care if this ho gets pregnant. I already got three other kids by three other baby mommas. Look at what a big playah I am." I guess what I am saying is, you can't fix stupid. .
But on the other hand, you CAN elect stupid to the 2nd highest office in the land. OH, I went there! It's like shooting fish in a barrel, I tell you.
you may not be certain but the research results are Even without the research simply google up those countries that made legislative change - the numbers speak for themselves This is not about stopping abortion and never having to perform another one - because despite what ignorant ranting lay people might like you to think there will always be situations where it is either the foetus or the woman. The clearest example of that is an ectopic pregnancy - not all of which are in the Fallopian tubes. This is about reducing numbers This is about giving people as much control over themselves as possible and remarkably a lot of young women show themselves capable of doing so.
I am far from ignorant, my good woman. And stop your knee from jerking, just because I spoke a few uncomfortable truths. Stupid, dull, ignorant people will always drive drunk. Text while driving. Get knocked up. Vote for Obama. You name it, the list goes on and on. For every noble, remarkable young woman who is taking control of her body in an intelligent, thoughtful manner (and I salute them, I am a father of grown daughters) there are FIFTEEN who are as dumb as a box of rocks, and who will get pregnant because: a. they don't want to let their loser boyfriend down, and he 'can't stand having that rubber between us' b. they WANT to be pregnant like all the other cool kids in their 8th grade class or c. they don't have two brain cells to rub together, let alone the wherewithal to manage a packet of birth control pills. I have seen it, I know it to be true, and all the la-de-da hope and flowers sentiment isn't going to change that one simple truth; You can't fix stupid. You can throw money at it, you can change laws to try and thwart it, and you can blubber and wail at every street corner about it, but you can't fix stupid.
Or maybe they have been the victim of that subtle bullying some men are so good at I call it ego vampirism. She may start off self confident (or maybe not as they sometimes practice on those not so self confident) and little by little they erode that until she cannot do anything but what he wants her to. There are a lot of societal reasons why this happens but take it from me it does And I am truly sick and tired of cocky males on this forum using it as a vehicle to bad mouth women and imply or even openly state that a woman who gets pregnant does so because SHE is lazy or a whore
My goodness, dear lady. You have clearly mistaken me for someone else. I myself am a tender and generous man, and a kind and passionate supporter of women. I love women, and I never, ever want for them to come to harm. My comments regarding 'fixing stupid'? They apply to both sexes. (driving drunk, texting while driving, getting pregnant or allowing somebody to become pregnant out of selfishness or foolish whimsy) It appears to me that you have a chip on your shoulder against men in general, and so you rushed to attribute me with characteristics that are simply not there. I am personally offended, though I do understand your psychology. Buck up now. You may apologize now, or later on. I'll accept either.
Contraception has not fixed the problem. In fact it since the promotion of contraception more women and youg girls have ended up pregnant. Since the late 60's people have preached they can have sex without any consequences to their actions, which has been proven wrong over and over again. Giving teenagers condoms or the pill, only tells them it is permissable to go out and have sex at such a young age. I also agree with sex education in schools but not the kind most people are talking about, were people in the school tell them how they should have sex, instead of teaching abstinence. We should be teaching that sex should only be ever entered into during a committed relationship. A relationship that has been going on a considerable period of time before entering into the act.
There is a word for pap like this Patronising and thank you so much for doing it This is the gender equivalent of "He has done so well for a person of colour" If you meant both sexes then SAY both sexes. When you only talk of the failing of women do not be surprised if you are chided but in truth it was not you I was there are others on this forum who openly state they think women getting abortions are sluts too lazy to use contraception - if you want to self identify with that group be my guest
Yeah! Let's turn back the clock to a more "moral" era http://www.loyno.edu/~history/journal/1989-0/haller.htm Mind you this is about the British and with a name like "Sean Michael" you probably think like a lot of Irish - that the British were bastards to start with so what is the difference??
I never said things were better in the old days. I am stating that contraception did not stop young girls and women getting pregnant. It seemed to only inflame matters. Since the pill and other forms of contraception has been introduced teenage pregnancies have gone up instead of down, why is this?. I beleive it is because we are more or less telling our youth it is okay to have sex, for recreational purposes. Though we should realise the message we should be sending them is to abstain from sex until in a committed relationship. Artifical contraceptives have proven not to work in solving the issue. There is more young single mothers now than there was 50 years ago, there is more abortions now then 50 years ago, there is more stds now than 50 years ago. So how long will it take for people to realise that this is not fixing the problem. Sticking our heads in the sand and telling ourselves the problem will eventually go away if we keep sticking to the things that have proven not to work will do no one any good. Also I agree no one should be stigmatised for how they came into this life. Why did you jump to the assumption I would think such a thing. I beleive all human life is sacred, I do not agree with the death penalty, euthansia, embryonic stem cell research etc. So why do you think I would value someone who was born out of wedlock any different than anyone else. I take offense at your last comment, I think no such thing of the British, I am British, I am also Irish. I come from N.Ireland which is under the British government. I think you make to many unfounded assumptions in your post, which are simply not true.
I live in Arizona work in this field. Abortion levels have decreased. We are closing clinics left and right. If you want abortion numbers to drop .you make it illegal. You make it harder for women to get to a clinic to kill. If you want women to shop less you close the Mall. If you want your husband to pay more attention to you .you get rid of the television so he can't watch sports. LOL Yes in America we do have freedoms. But who far do we go to afford people to just do whatever they want? Should we make child pornography legal? Group marriage? You humanists love the deviant you think everything is acceptable to do as long as you don't hurt someone. And in this case you don't give a rats..behind if the human in the womb is burned, dissected slaughtered alive. No you want to change society .you need to work on the morality of those who are pro-killing human babies.
I think abortion is wrong, I fully support the right of any woman as she and her body is hers to do as she so wishes, until she has taken on a lodger, if that how she feels about childbirth! A woman considers herself above the law, if a man kicked a women who was pregnant he would be prosecuted for manslaughter! Why not the other way around? Woman's..... no feminist logic! I can shout and skirl until I get my own way! Humanity.... none! Love none, a commodity to do as she pleases. Consumerism gone mad! Me me me me...... greed and sterile humanity! If a woman has an abortion she should never be allowed to call herself mum mummy or mother! She should with legal repercussions be given an alternative name perhaps killermum! Sharkmum! Toeragmum! I'm sure there's many names she could be called..... all serving the appropriate responses to someone who has no scruples! Yes I have strong opinions against abortions! Regards Highlander
When you close an abortion clinic, you simply force women to travel farther to get to one. Or they may choose an internet available drug. There is NO evidence that criminalizing abortion reduces abortion at all. Women can also drive to another shopping mall and will. Comparing abortion to deviant acts is not logical. And I have never heard of anyone who is "pro-killing human babies."
