Is the United States an Abomination?

I note how you ignored the posting located here: http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/269291-united-states-abomination-2.html#post1061787177

 

Yep.

No, from the British.. War is hell.

Declaration of Independence.. Look it up.

 

Wolverine, just so you don't get mixed up on this, I mean that war isn't painting a picture of 'loving one another',which is why I said everyone has blood on their hands, though you want to single out one nation for your own agenda,I understand.

 

The Founders broke away from the British.

Violating God's Law.

So are you suggesting that going against God's Law is sometimes ok [as long as it does not cause you to forsake your "conservative values?]

 

No, I couldn't care less what the United States did to break away from British.

I do not even remotely believe that Romans 13:1-7 is in any way a "good moral principle". It is a tool of control. Now would would a Roman Emporer choose to canonize something that made his government a Holy institution. Think about that.

My only agenda in this thread is to allow yourself to contradict yourself repeatably.

 

Double negative implies a positive statement... meaning that you do care.

 

Though I have asked similar questions myself when you dig deeper you find that it was one government against another. England was oppressively ruling over a separate peoples and they were separate governments.

 

America is much like Rome used to be before Nero made it Godless to the Christians.Before Nero, Paul considered it a nation under God because they protected the Christian missionaries from the Jewish mobs.They protected paul as well. He was also proud of his Roman citizenship.

When Nero started making everyone sprinkle the incense on the fire and professing "Cesar is Lord," they were under different authority. (Godless for sure)

America declared their freedom and the British wasn't Rome.

Christian Americans apply the same respect to the authorities of America as Paul once did to Rome and to obey the laws of the ones protecting you from oppressors and tyrants,etc.. as well as the ones that can justly put you in Jail for doing something wrong, is still applicable and wise.

No, I'm actually suggesting that you read a book or study something before you bash it.

 

Why must you think in terms of "morality ?" Think of it in terms of a land that is doing right by you, is beneficial for you. The reason why you have to accept the consequences of doing something bad is because the bad is what the law is protecting you from..

Name the emperor that you are talking about and I'm going to walk through this with you.

I suppose we all must have goals.

 

The Bible says that men rule over women. It says that slave masters rule over slaves.

 

Really? Does the Bible really say all of that? So, with slave masters ruling over slaves, who did you vote for as your slave master?

 

Hey "The Wyrd of Gawd": Did you overlook this post or are you afraid to give an honorable and honest response?

 

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Looks as if the Founders interpreted the Bible differently than you do. I see no conflict and certainly America is blessed.

 

Yeah, but We the People are the rulers, and always have been.

Going all the way back to the Old Testament when the retarded Jews asked for a King, the point is, they asked for one, and it was granted, it is called “consent of the governed.“

If the Romans gave their consent, which they continually did, rebel minority “Roman” Christians had no right to overthrow the will of the Romans. Is the letter addressed to Americans, or French, or Romans? It is addressed to Romans living with Romans.

When the people depose a ruler that has deprived them of being God’s sons and daughters, rule without representation, they are not rebels, but exercising their rights as sons of God to choose THEIR form of government just like the Jews did in the Old Testament.

 

So I could write a document that cites God and then I am forgiven for a moral abomination against God?

Sounds great.

 

Says you.

However, it seems that Christians cannot even agree on what to believe. You are stating the above (which makes more sense), while my high school curriculum and prospect's argument are the same; government is an institution of God. I thought I would apply prospect's argument against marijuana to US government and watch himself contradict himself.

 

I lot of people listen, and are led, as they let books and idiots think for them, but they do not think; thinking is the whole purpose of the Holy Spirit which Jesus spoke about. The Holy Spirit is the only thing Jesus said we would have: he did NOT say there would be a one and only final MohamMad Prophet, he NOT say there would be perfect prayer to be judged of men as to our belief after conquest, while our wives are concubines of false prophet MoHamMad the slaver, and our daughters slave girls to be raped as war booty, he did NOT say there would be perfect books to lead us and give us law that says we are dead men if we become apostates. Those old letters of Paul, which were to churches about their problems, have zero power over the Holy Spirit. Government is only an institution of God when it is instituted by men of equality. Jesus said to pray to OUR father, therefore, we are all God’s children whether you believe or not; consequently, any institution of God could not deprive God’s children of enfranchisement.

 

Romans 13 tells us to obedient to God and those appointed by God and to not fear authority if you do good. But if the authority opposes God's will he is not authority appointed by God then Romans 13 doesn't apply.

England is not one of those at the time.

 

... and what is God's will?

 

In the bible

 

The Bible contradicts itself over 400 times.

What is God's will?

 

Give me an example


If live by the 10 comandment i say ur petty safe.

 

Give me an example


If live by the 10 comandment i say ur petty safe.

 

I already told you that Paul was talking about Roman authority at the time they existed. I also explained how a Christian applies the same logic and why. Whether you think that is right or wrong,whether you believe in God or don't, whether you AGREE with the logic is completely irrelivent to my arguement against marajuana.

Here is a good one for you.. Jesus didn't tell us to love one another either because he was talking to our ancients, but we still think it applies to us. We still use those teachings,isn't that crazy ?

 

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Where is rape? Exploitation?