Payback time? Israelis wonder what Obama victory will mean for Netanyahu

Logical fallacy. Why? because I never made such a claim.

 

So you're speaking of some phantom rich people. I don't think this conversation is going very far.

 

What are you babbling on about?

 

I was going to ask you the very same thing, but I see the problem now. This place is infested.

 

With what?

 

RiseAgainst.
LOL
http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm
"A person can be Jewish by birth or by conversion"

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/whojew1.html
"According to Jewish law, a child born to a Jewish mother or an adult who has converted to Judaism is considered a Jew; one does not have to reaffirm their Jewishness or practice any of the laws of the Torah to be Jewish."

LOL again.

 

I am having a good day actually.
Me not agreeing with you on almost anything, is not a bad day for me...

 

Idiots.

 

Well, I guess I feel the same.

I mean, in the end, at least I do not know anyone that would sport a 'one shot to kills' T shirt.

I am sure you don't either of course, just wondering, what sort of MAN would?

 

American-Israeli cooperative, eh? Let us dig deeper into the rabbit hole....

Well isnt that about a bich.

And jewfaq sounds credible enough.... i couldnt find any info on what kind of people started it or anything. That isnt suspicious at all and really makes me feel good about that source.

 

Bibi’s bad bet: Netanyahu damaged political chances by backing Romney

Vid in link..

http://rt.com/news/obama-netanyahu-gamble-relations-216/


Barack Obama’s reelection may be bad news for Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu. Their icy personal rapport aside, experts warn that Netanyahu’s over-involvement in the US campaign could drive apart the two nations and derail his own electoral prospects.

(*)Netanyahu did little to conceal his preference for who he wanted in the White House for the next four years, RT Middle East bureau chief Paula Slier said. His government’s spats with the Obama administration over Palestinian peace talks and Iran’s nuclear program too often went public, shaking the image of the US as an unblinking ally of Israel.

In September, Obama refused to side with Netanyahu’s warmongering stance towards Iran and agree to a ‘red line’ that would trigger a US attack on the country. In previous years, Washington pressured Tel Aviv to freeze construction of settlements in the occupied territories, a move that contradicted Netanyahu’s accommodating stance towards settlers.

Another barrier to negotiations is the pair’s rumored dislike for each other.

Relations between the two administrations hit a new low when Netanyahu openly supported Republican candidate Mitt Romney in the US presidential administration. Romney is a longtime personal friend of the Israeli PM. Netanyahu welcomed Romney to Israel during a campaign visit to the country, and also appeared in Republican campaign ads.

Most American Israelis also favored the Republican candidate. Of the roughly 80,000 who voted from Israel, four in five voted Romney, RT’s Slier says.

However, Jewish voters in the US sided with Obama, as in the last election: Around 70 percent of American Jewish voters picked the Democrat on Tuesday. In a poll conducted by Democratic firm GBA Strategies on behalf of the liberal Jewish advocacy group J Street, Jewish voters were far more concerned with the US economy, not policy towards Israel or Iran, in casting their ballot.

Several critics now argue that Netanyahu gambled for Romney and lost, and that his decision may have damaged US-Israeli relations.

“I think that a prime minister in Israel doesn't do two things. He doesn't interfere in the elections in the US and he doesn't gamble on one of the candidates. This definitely caused damage,” Israeli opposition leader Shaul Mofaz told Channel 2 TV.

“We are the junior partner in this relationship. Both men want to succeed, they need to cooperate in order to succeed and I think it’s not an insurmountable challenge for Netanyahu to fix the relationship,” Itamar Rabinovich, former Israeli ambassador to the US told RT.

Compounding Netanyahu’s woes, he may also find his US counterpart more difficult to negotiate with now.

“I think in general second term presidents are not good for Israel – because a lot of them put focus on the Israeli Palestinian issue and they put unnatural pressure on both sides to make compromises which are not good for either side – because they don’t have to be reelected and they’re looking more to legacy,” Mitchell Barak, the founder of Israel-based political research firm Keevon said.

Backpedaling on his aggressive rhetoric could now hurt Netanyahu’s political image as a stalwart, which would in turn damage his reelection prospects in Israel’s January elections. He leads in opinion polls at the moment, but analysts say that a major stumble could prompt a serious electoral challenge from heavyweight opponents like former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

In a speech to American leaders of the Jewish community on Wednesday, Olmert, hinting at possible political ambitions, accused Netanyahu of damaging relations with the US

"Following what Netanyahu did in the last few months, raises the question whether or not our prime minister has a friend in the White House. I am not sure of that, and it could be very significant for us at a critical time," he said.

But further alienating Obama could leave Israel with insufficient support if it makes good on its threats to unilaterally attack Iran’s nuclear facilities. Netanyahu and his ministers maintain that the window of opportunity for such an attack is closing soon, but the Obama administration opposes military action and favors its continuing push for crippling economic sanctions against Iran.

Some experts question whether Israel has the offensive capabilities to destroy Iran’s nuclear program without US support.

“In order to destroy Iran’s nuclear capabilities, you need many strikes, over an extended period of time. Only one country in the world is capable of doing that – and I don’t think that they will do it – and that’s the United States,” Yiftah Shapir of the Institute for National Security Studies told RT.

Netanyahu may ultimately have painted himself into a corner: Both the risk of military action and easing his warmongering rhetoric could carry negative political consequences.

 

So you are saying that jewish sites are lying about "who is a jew"?
Interesting concept.

Maybe you should check your sites, and come back to me.

 

Most American Israelis also favored the Republican candidate. Of the roughly 80,000 who voted from Israel, four in five voted Romney, RT’s Slier says.

However, Jewish voters in the US sided with Obama, as in the last election: Around 70 percent of American Jewish voters picked the Democrat on Tuesday. In a poll conducted by Democratic firm GBA Strategies on behalf of the liberal Jewish advocacy group J Street, Jewish voters were far more concerned with the US economy, not policy towards Israel or Iran, in casting their ballot.

What was Bibi thinking?

 

That dual nationality crap that goes on, Margot, it should be done away with.

If one is a Jew, born and raised in the US, then he is American.

If he wants to be Israeli, then go there, get an Israeli passport, and leave, imo.

There should certainly be no room for them in the body politic.

What army did Emmaneul fight for, Margot?

 

What if one is born in, lets say england, and goes to live in the US?
Is he allowed to have dual citizenship?
What about the former mayor of california?
do you, jack, allow him to have dual citizenship?

 

Let me explain.

If a Jew is born in the US, raised in the US, and his parents were born in the US, that person is either a full American citizen, or if they wish to become Israeli, then they should cede their American citizenship, get an Israeli passport, and move there.

You ain't an 'Israeli', simply because you are a Jew.

How artifical is that?

How fake is that?

What are you, Uri, aside from 'Israeli', are you Middle Eastern?

Like, I am British, and European.

Are you Middle Eastern?

 

And if a jewish guy, US born and raised move to Israel for a couple of years.
He gets Israeli citizenship.

Would you allow him to return to the US jack?

 

Depends.

Look, my mum is a RC okay, and I was, against my wishes I may add, given I was a baby, baptised as such, albeit I am not religous now.

An 'atheist Catholic'...

Just because of that, that does not give me the right to lay claim to automatic citizenship of the RC lands of origin.

 

And as always, the question remains unanswered.
"And if a jewish guy, US born and raised move to Israel for a couple of years.
He gets Israeli citizenship.

Would you allow him to return to the US jack?"

 

Return for what, and to do what?

 

Return for whatever he chooses to return, to do whatever he chooses to do.

 

What were we talking about again?

I've had a couple of beers.

 

Well, without more to it, I cannot really say.

But certainly, if they had taken on Israeli citizenship, they would remain Israeli, and not American, therefore, be subject to all the checks and balances of anyone else, coming into the US.

 

So, the former governor of california should have is austrian citizenship revoked?
No dual citizenships?

Or is it a law designed specifically for jews?

 

I have made my position clear.

If you are a Jew, it should not automatically entitle you to dual citizenship.

It is absurd that an American Jew can 'return' to a place they may never have been to, when a native people cannot, not even for a holiday.

And I would certainly advise against them in any positions of high office.