Galt - What can we do?

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  1. Lowden Clear

    Lowden Clear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is your problem? Are you frustrated that you have nothing of value to sell? You have no idea that you've spent life and limb to try to see it become successful? If HB wants to sell he'll take his earnings with him and live his life. It would be my hope that at another time and place he would use his talent in a manner of his choosing and in an environment that welcomes him. The huge point you are missing is that the magical quality that propels a business owner is a rare thing that people like you take for granted because you haven't the depth of experience to grasp it. We don't need your approval or understanding to do what we do. But you'd think that given the risks we take you'd at least try to be respectful.
     
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    Stop it, you're killin' me. I'm bustin' a gut here.

    That's right, you're an indispensible manager/programmer/fill-in-the-blank. Sure you are. Go with that. Tell that to your customers and demand they kiss your butt in gratitude for your continued indispensible service, since no one can possibly replace you. See what that gets you.
     
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    I have. My co-workers/managers all know how I feel. I'm saving them money. One thing though... I actually care that my company does well.
     
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    OLD PROFESSOR is professing either invalid hatred or lack of knowledge about "selfishness". What Herr Professor calls selfishness is not really selfishness. True selfishness is the long term love of the real you that is hidden under tons of social drivel otherwise called the ego.
    The real self has to be created by first throwing down your reasoning mind to be reformated, and then reprogrammed with the Word & Intent of "nature's God".

    True self love is a long term effort, and refusal to initiate the use of force against anyone is the first step in self love.
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    Good Place to start discovering your true self and real selfishness.
     
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    It's not all that bad. You know how many people's political views flip 180 degrees by the time they double in age? All the young Randians will turn into commies.
     
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    Both are losers because they ignore fundamental human nature and seek to create a utopia of supermen, albeit for completely opposite reasons.

    We should be wary of both of them because movements that seek to create utopias of supermen result in genocide. Utopias leave no room for non-conformists or independent thought outside of the dominant worldview.
     
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    I'll never understand the admiration some have for a fictional rapist.
     
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    Doubtful. Very few people are truly indispensable. I seriously doubt anyone that fits that description would have the time to spend here.
     
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    Every person is truly indispensible.

    My point is, you can't replace me with a less expensive alternative, and its not even close.
     
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    They weren't. Unemployment was under 5%, until the Dems got some power,and the dominoes that THEY PUTNIN PLACE at Fannie/Freddie started to fall.
     
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    You're a dime a dozen in india, but don't take it from me, take it from bill gates!
     
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    We should do the same thing we should have been doing for the last 40 years. Sure, you can leave the country with your business...you can close your factory here and move it overseas...you an fire your workers here and hire them at $1 an hour in SE Asia.
    BUT...you no longer have access to the US as a consumer economy. Zero, Zip, Nada.

    OF course this is all a fairly moot point. Businesses in the US have no reason to leave or change anything. We already operate one of the most business friendly economies on earth - this is evident by the record profits realized by corporations over the horrible last four years...
     
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    Not the Indians I know. I lost my job to an India company when I worked somewhere else. Six months later they were begging to have me back.
     
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    There would only be one way to know for sure, but I guess we're veering off from the topic of the thread.
     
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    True. Lets just say this. I am a programmer. Built my own framework, language, business logic. Good luck getting someone to come in and figure it all out for less than $200k in immediate overhead.
     
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    You obviously have no idea what it takes to risk it all to move an idea forward. You've never leveraged property, put your own home on the line, paid employees when you know you wouldn't make a dime for two years or more. That unique quality in the heart and mind of an entrepreneur, the creativity, drive, single minded focus and sometimes brutal determination - all of it - isn't found in everyone. You almost have to be a mental case to be an entrepreneur. It is insane to try to do what some of us do. Most don't make it, but we try and try again. We see potential and act on it. We cannot sit back and collect a paycheck from someone else because we have something greater in mind for ourselves.

    There are far fewer entrepreneurs than there are people working for them. It isn't the end of the world if some of us drop out to plan a comeback later. It isn't always easy to replace one of us, but that isn't the end of the world either. What is of concern today is that so many of us see a grim future. We aren't itching to create what is in us to achieve because the wall of containment grows higher and higher. It is better to hunker in the bunker and keep our heads down hoping people come to their senses. We can make plans for a brighter day down the road. The outlook now is bleak and those who think they know the solution to the problems could be solved by raising the price of pizza by 15 cents, well, it is just clueless.
     
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    But there s a difference. Inherent in Marxism is the demand that everyone play the game or else, while inherent in libertarianism is the demand that individuals simply be left alone. I prefer the later.
     
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    Marxism cannot work at all without a repressive police state.
     
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    LC,

    You absolutely understand. It is something that Liberals with their union jobs, government jobs, entitlement checks would NEVER understand.

    Being an entrepreneur was difficult in the past and took a lot of heart, brains, and hard work. Now it is just about impossible and exceedingly painful. Why anyone would choose to do it under a Barack Obama + a Blue State is ridiculous. My thought is to get out now, make the $$$, and put it in cruise control. If they political, regulator, tax, and business landscape changes... I can come back. If not, I'm cool... let it fail.
     
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    I attended microsof's xmas party in washington a couple of years ago. And what i saw was an ocean of indian and chinese faces. don't kid yourself, you can be replaced at a moments notice.
     
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    Everyone keeps saying it, but so be it. I'll move on.
     
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    You might as well, cuz only a complete fool fancies himself indispensable. LOL
     
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    You have no idea what I am doing.

    Again, you can not replace me for less than at least two years salary.

    Thats money. Indispensible or not.
     
  24. Lowden Clear

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    When you own an idea you usually know it better than anyone else. You see it, breathe it, eat it. It becomes an extension of yourself. Sometimes you are the only one who sees something for what it is, you prove that it works and others are left scratching their heads trying to figure out how you did it. It is a common thing that entrepreneurs experience. It is a measure of our value. To sell that value is a good thing.

    I know people who have never risked it, for any number of reasons - be it the lack of ideas, work ethic, courage, capital, family support, backbone, self esteem, intelligence, ability to leave their comfort zone - they often try to belittle a risk taker to make up for their own short comings. I can only hope this isn't the case with you. Curious, have you ever stepped up to risk everything on an idea?
     
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    Yes, even other programmers typically can't understand what I have done. Its highly complex and huge. Its a rarity.

    Basically I dynamically process $1B of medical records. 1 guy.
     

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