UN recognises Palestine as an Observer State on 1967 borders.

Geneva conventions apply to nations. Cant retroactively apply nation status to Palestine. Certainly from this point forward that defense shouldnt work any longer. Although I would argue that Arafat declared the Nation of Palestines existance in the 80s, from Tunisia. I would argue they cant now deny nation status as a defense.

 

Then the USA is also clearly a rogue state sending its helicopters into Pakistan under their radar and killing Bin Laden, his son, and his 2 couriers and one of their wives.

In other words, if the USA does it, other nation-states are also going to follow the example set.

When you fight external-insurgency terrorism (the killing of civilians) you have to fight it like a pirate.

I have no qualms about either the USA or Israel making pre-emptive and retributionary strikes into other countries.

Like Teddy Roosevelt said, speak softly but carry a big stick.

 

Israel would likely use the customary international law card in regards to applying the Geneva Conventions to Palestine. I do not know how much headway they would get in such a situation, probably very little, but I think if they want to deter Palestine from pursuing ICC prosecution, using this international institutional route is a possibility.

 

What more of a red face will Americans accept, before they can see it is literally degrading to be lumped in with Israel's other mates...Panama..Neuru(?)..?

How much more transparent does it need to be, even before the elections, the most empassioned talking I heard, was Obama and Mitt both fighting to prove who would be Israel's most servile (*)(*)(*)(*)(*).

Seriously, get some pride, real patriot Americans.

 

Then the USA is also clearly a rogue state sending its helicopters into Pakistan under their radar and killing Bin Laden, his son, and his 2 couriers and one of their wives.

In other words, if the USA does it, other nation-states are also going to follow the example set.

When you fight external-insurgency terrorism (the killing of civilians outside of the occupied war zone) you have to fight those kind of pirates like a pirate yourself.

I have no qualms about either the USA or Israel making pre-emptive and retributionary strikes into other countries.

Like Teddy Roosevelt said, speak softly but carry a big stick.

 

People with pride dont follow what everyone else is doing, simply because everyone else is doing it. People without their own principles follow the herd. IMHO this is absurd, recognizing nations that do not yet exist. Recognition at the behest of a guy who was voted out of office in 2009 and he responded by unilaterally declaring himself to be president. Its a crazy world. Usually states come into existance and THEN they are recognized. They have it ass backwards in the UN.

 

You mean that you believe in murder and lying? I'd keep that quiet next time you are looking for a job.

 

Just like 1948......

 

Pride is a sin

 

Fortunately for Palestine, Zionism cannot engage with the human element of law. It believes that it can benefit from the letter of law whilst simultaneously pissing on its spirit;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...t-un-palestine

One would be forgiven for thinking that the recent avalanche of negative world opinion would have elicited caution in the neoZionist camp. Not so. Zionism is fearlessly criminal.

 

????? No, Israel created a state and then was recognized. They put in place a government and exercised sovereignty over their territory.

 

Somebody else's territory, actually. Furthermore, that land-grab was not ' recognised ' as you'd like to peddle. It was, and is, opposed.

 

Just like Hitler in Europe. They haven't murdered quite as many children yet, but AIPAC hasn't got total control of the US politicians yet either.

 

Just like Hitler in Europe. They haven't murdered quite as many children yet, but AIPAC hasn't got total control of the US politicians yet either.

 

The UK abandoned their mandate over Palestine. The Ottomans werent interested.

 

The abstainers;

2. The 41 nations abstaining (not voting) on the Palestinian request for a non-member state status in the UN:

Albania, Andorra, Australia, Bahamas, Barbados, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Colombia, Croatia, Democratic Republic of Congo, Estonia, Fiji, Germany, Guatemala, Latvia, Malawi, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Holland, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Poland, South Korea, Moldova, Romania, Samoa, San Marino, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Togo, Tonga, UK, North Ireland, and Fatwatu.

http://www.aljazeerah.info/News/201...State Status in the UN, November 29, 2012.htm

It's worth taking note of these gutless wonders.

 

You might want to look up the meaning of "mandate".. It is not ownership.

 

Lol.

Both you Pres candidates.

Clamouring, not to impress Americans...but to gain the approval of Israel.

American citizens - paying more for Israeli 'security', than Israeli's.

You give them a lump sum, at the start of the year, which the US have to pay interest on, while Israel makes money on it.

Their filthy human trafficking pigs can gain easy access in and out of the US, from Israel.

I'd watch out for my wife and kids, if I were American esp.

A total parasite on the backside of the US, and a blight on the world at large.

 

Unless it is a job within Israel.

In which case he is well suited.

 

If a state could have a collective mental illness, Israel would be a borderliner.

Total inability to see that it can do any wrong, blame everyone else, all of the time, fits of temper and petulance when something does not go their way.

If they were a dog, they would be muzzled and retrained, and if that didn't work, put to sleep.

 

Yup.

At least a yes or no is stating where you are at.

I don't think countries should be allowed to abstain.

 

It's a simple indifference, get it? Indifference, as in "who cares"

 

Wow, look who's talking - a defender of suicide bombers and rocket launchers, who indiscriminately and intentionally blow busses full of old, young and women, and who intentionally set up rocket launchers among their own kids, so tat when Israel retaliates, them terrorists can whine and moan about kids, whose death they caused. Pathetic.

 

You might look up the meaning of nations. They generally dont own the land, they exercise sovereignty over it. And most Muslims in Palestine in 1948 didn't own any land. They leased it or simply squated upon it

 

I always wonder if the Israelis and their supporters even realize that Palestine has been occupied for decades, or they just simply dismiss the fact. Well, of course they do, after all, it is mandatory for Israelis to serve in the Israeli army. The Israeli population should know exactly what is going on, yet they fail to understand that there will always be resistance as long as Israel continues to oppress the Palestinians. There hasn't always been a Hamas, or Islamic Jihad.

The Palestinian violence is the violence of resistance. Article 1(4) of the Geneva Convention Protocol I provides that
"fighting against colonial domination and alien occupation and against racist regimes in the exercise of their right of self-determination" is enshrined under the Untied Nations Charter.

For obvious reasons attacks that target civilians are illegal. But we can not forget Israel's crimes and abuse against the Palestinians. Israeli violence is much more extreme, and their use of excessive force is proven through their many attacks on the Palestinians. Israel launches more sophisticated strikes, and uses the top-notch weaponry against a mostly defenseless population. Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip live in a violent environment dictated by Israel, with soldiers, checkpoints, tanks, airstrikes, helicopters, F-16 fighter jets, among other lethal machinery (although in the case of Gaza the presence of soldiers has changed since 2005, except there are constant drones and Israeli war planes flying over, as well as occasional ground raids).

There is one question that seems to be missing. And that question is, why exactly were there suicide bombings, and rocket attacks? The Israelis always try to portray the situation as if Hamas is the problem. Yet the first suicide bombing occurred in the mid 1990s after an Israeli settler massacred a couple dozen Palestinian worshipers in a mosque in Hebron. While Palestinian rocket-fire only occurred after the Second Intifada in 2001. Hmm... seems like the Israeli narrative is missing something.