Soldier 50 dies of heart attack. Thank God it wasn't a woman

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  1. Politics Junky

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    http://rense.com/general58/esent.htm

    What I find strange is we have 50 year old male soldiers dropping dead from heart attacks in the Middle East and at the same time people are screaming there is simply no way a 20 year old woman could do similar quality work. How hard is it to drop dead at headquarters?
     
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    Most men don't die of heart attacks at 50.
     
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    No most don't but these did and they were in the military eligible to be deployed into combat. So what does that say about the so called physical fitness standards everyone is crowing about.
     
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    If a 19 year old male dies of a heart attack, is that a case for women as well?

    I have no problem with women serving if they can pass the same physical and mental tests as men, but your logic here is faulty.
     
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    Probably a Fobbit. I doubt he was an infantry soldier.
    I was in my early 40's and deployed.. War is for sure, a young man's game. We had a loadmaster in our expeditionary squadron...which was a mixture of guardsman, reservists and active duty, who was in his early 50's.
     
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    "...hallway of the Coalition Provisional Authority". That's not a battlefield.

    No one is arguing that women can't be in combat zones. They are arguing they can't be grunts.

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    "...hallway of the Coalition Provisional Authority". That's not a battlefield.

    No one is arguing that women can't be in combat zones. They are arguing they can't be grunts.
     
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    When you figure out what the "Combat Arms" are, get back with us.

    RIP CSM
     
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    Actually there was a ban on women in combat units. When we have 50 year old men dropping dead of old age in Iraq it's time to use some common sense.

    http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/23/military-to-open-combat-jobs-to-women/

    Sounds reasonable to me.
     
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    Lol, 50 year olds aren't usually going to drop dead of heart attacks. You use some common sense please. The logic behind your argument is stupid as (*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    In the same way a 19 yo female dying of a heart attack at the front lines will be fodder for innumerable Right Wing circl- jerk threads of how "women shouldn't be in combat".
     
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    No, but these 50 years old did. This isn't theoretical. 50 year old men with heart disease are but one example of the kinds of men we send into war zones on a regular basis. Our military is over stretched and the idea that these walking heart attacks are better suited for desert duty than 20 year old girls is ridiculous.
     
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    How would adding women help the problem of incompetency ???
     
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    Women are already on FAST, which is a security team of armed airman that fly along with airlift crews in hazardous duty areas.
    They aren't technically infantry, but I'd certainly say they are combat ready, willing and able.

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    For some reason, infantry guys will say...."oh that's not really combat"..."they couldn't handle what I do"
    For crissakes, they carry an M4, they are trained how to shoot it...and they are there to engage bad guys...it's c*o*m*b*a*t.

    That's my only beef, the failure to acknowledege..girls with guns, is commonplace in the theater of war, and as far as I'm concerned...that's combat.
     
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    That's not marching with the 10th Mountain Division in the mountains of Afghanistan with everything you will need to fight the Taliban on your back. It's just not the same thing.

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    That's not marching with the 10th Mountain Division in the mountains of Afghanistan with everything you will need to fight the Taliban on your back. It's just not the same thing.
     
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    Let them try for combat arms fine. If they can make it then they make it. If they cannot then they don't make it. No special privileges no lower standards no nothing.

    If they have different standards for women and men in combat arms then I will have a problem.
     
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    He was probably drinking too many of those Aspartame loaded soft drinks.
     
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    Women can't even defend themselves from being raped by the males in their unit.

    How are they going to defend the nation from crazy Muslims who want to kill us all?

    They can't.

    Just because women are serving in combat does not mean that they are the best choice for the job.

    It only means that the lib feminatzi's have political clout in DC.
     
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    Here we go again...
    the snake-eaters peanut gallery...

    "I marched 20 miles, in a raging sandstorm, drinking my own urine and eating scorpions along the way. I pooped in my shoes so the enemy couldn't follow the trail"

    Women are serving in COMBAT...

    NOW...as I type this.

    Now maybe they aren't suited for certain jobs, but they are certainly capable of some of the jobs in the combat arms...because in fact, they are already
    doing jobs that place them in combat situations.
     
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    They'd be just as stupid to bring up that hypothetical scenario.
     
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    Women are in combat roles now, this is true. But not all combat roles are the same.

    Marching miles with 60+lbs of battle gear on, a weapon (anything from an M4 to an M240 machine gun), and a rucksack weighing anywhere from 30lbs to 130lbs depending on your mission, in the light infantry world is different from being a gunner on an MRAP.

    Much different.

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    Women are in combat roles now, this is true. But not all combat roles are the same.

    Marching miles with 60+lbs of battle gear on, a weapon (anything from an M4 to an M240 machine gun), and a rucksack weighing anywhere from 30lbs to 130lbs depending on your mission, in the light infantry world is different from being a gunner on an MRAP.

    Much different.
     
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    The odds of a 50 year old dropping dead of a heart attack are extremely slim. Anyone with an undetected illness, 18 or 50, is in danger of death in those conditions. It isn't an age thing.
     
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    Combat Arms consists of 3 types of jobs. Infantry, Armor, and Artillery.

    Those are physically demanding jobs that I don't think you fully understand. I don't know much about Artillery but the other 2? Good luck.

    Combat doesn't just mean have a gun and shoot too. There is A LOT of stuff that is required of someone as a Tank crewmember or a light Infantry Soldier. Stuff that most women just flat out wouldn't be able to do.
     
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    So what? Women are police officers and get into COMBAT! Housewives get into COMBAT!!! with home invaders or rapists. Frankly, kids pull triggers on bad guys in the states. Guess what, that's COMBAT!

    The "Combat Arms" are physically demanding. That has nothing to do with pulling 4lbs triggers on 9lbs rifles. It means that they can carry a crapload of stuff in body armor in the Iraqi summer for days.
     
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    Well as slim as those odds are it happened multiple times in Iraq so I don't think one could argue those men were physically better suited for desert duty than a lot of 20 year old females.


    They are lifting the ban of small "c" combat units. Delve into whatever semantics you want but we know what the Sec Def said.
     
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    They are lifting the ban on Combat Arms, specifically Infantry and Armor units.

    So...yeah
     

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