Why is welfare moral?

Mygod! How will I cope???

Prozac, therapy, alcohol?

All of the above.

 

Yeah; I already do. Wealth you keep, in America, too, until death do you part. No kidding. I steal yours and I go to jail and pay restitution.

Income is a future choice you make, pursuant to tax laws. Read up on it; interesting as all get out.

And a funny thing happens when we have organized polities, i.e. America, Brasil, Germany, etc. Wealth increases many fold, even with the taxes that are required. Read up on that, too. Fascinating stuff.

 

You don't have to work and pay taxes so it's not like slavery. The slaves had no choice. You do.

Besides, we're the richest nation on earth, why so misery when taking care of the unfortunate ones? You have plenty of food doncha? You have shelter and plenty of stuff? Why begrudge a helping hand? You think Gods grace will always shine upon you?

 

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Shame there are not enough "moral" people out there giving their time and money on their own, if there were there would be no need for welfare, until that happens get used to your tax dollars going towards help your fellow citizens.

 

As some here seem to have forgotten to ask, What would Jesus do? As a believer in a judgement day for each of us I think some of us will have some splanning to do about what is in our hearts when that day comes for us.

 

The federal government spends more than $12,000 per person each year, less than 3% of the families in this nation pay that much in taxes. It's not a question of having too few people willing to give charity, it's that we have too many demanding it.

And there will always be "need" for charity. It only takes one person choosing to not pay for what he takes to create that "need."​

 

I knew your claim was bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

As I see it, the questions are not about welfare. They are about how MUCH welfare?

TOO much is harmful to ALL the welfare recipients.
Too LITTLE is harmful only to the actual people who DESERVE welfare.

 

“Though the weakening of the economy would have led to an increase in food stamp usage with or without a waiver, the doubling of the use of food stamps by the able-bodied population without dependents exceeded the 43 percent increase in food stamp usage among the broader population over the same 2008 to 2010 time frame [emphasis added],” Klein notes.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...loded-with-suspension-of-welfare-requirement/

Food Stamp Participation Doubled Among Able-Bodied Adults After Obama Suspended Work Requirement

The welfare reform of 1996 requires that after three months on food stamps, recipients be engaged in some kind of work activity for at least 20 hours a week. Tucked away in the mammoth 2009 so-called “stimulus” spending bill was the suspension of this requirement for able-bodied adults with no children.

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/09/19...dults-after-obama-suspended-work-requirement/

Obama administration officials have insisted that their decision to grant states waivers to redefine work requirements for welfare recipients would not “gut” the landmark 1996 welfare reform law. But a new report from the Congressional Research Service obtained by the Washington Examiner suggests that the administration’s suspension of a separate welfare work requirement has already helped explode the number of able-bodied Americans on food stamps.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/crs-r...ma-suspended-work-requirement/article/2508430

Why are we paying the 'able-bodied' to not work and contribute? Doesn't that take $$$$ away from the truly needy?

 

Did Jesus go get money and give it to the cripples, the diseased? Or did he heal them of the problem?

We too can heal them of the problem in one way or another.
To give them welfare in place of healing them in whatever way society can heal them would not be Jesus' highest hope.

We are not trying HARD enough to heal them.
And that goes more for one political party than the other.

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Yes we are. And it deprives the able-bodied of the self-esteem they so badly need.

 

Yea, if you want to look at it in a negative manner like that. I also feel the same way about using tax dollars to build airports (I don't fly) and sports arenas (I could care less) or any number of things I pay for but don't use. Paying for the military industical complex just chaps my hide, but those folks keep picking my pocket..... That's part of life in America, it's the price of living in a free country. I pay a lot in taxes. I can only claim a standard deduction. I can't itemize. I pay full freight. I guess its my patriotic duty to help this country along.

But that's just me, I tend not to be selfish and greedy.

 

Sadly, you are correct. We tend to tout ourselves as a christian nation, some days I don't think we really know what a christian is....

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You think it's always a choice?

 

To "heal" them would require spending even more money, training, schooling and the such, and guess what people will cry about that also. There is no way to make everyone happy. If it were up to me every welfare case would be reviewed on a regular baisis and those abusing the system would be thrown off it and in some cases fined and put in prison. That said there are still many Americans that do need the asisstance until they can get back on their feet again and that should remain, charities simply do not and cannot handle the needs.

 

Choosing to take something, is a choice.​

 

Yes, liberals get a '2-fer' 1) The able-bodied get their self esteem from a political party instead of themselves and 2) It creates even more need in the government welfare system which translates to more tax dollar revenue.

 

No form of forcible redistribution is moral.

 

So then all forms of taxation are immoral?

 

Excise taxes may be moral. Not all taxes are about redistributing the money that accumulates when a minority of our citizens offer more value than they consume.​

 

Name the law. Or maybe you are confused: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Welfare_clause#United_States

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What code are you speaking in? I can't seem to find your phraseology in any of the early American history I have read

 

This is an opinion that not even our founding fathers and framers ever held.

 

Special pleading much?

 

Tell me if you believe we have such an obligation what obligation back do those who receive such aid have?

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And what was BS about it?

 

You were asked to name the law. You did not. You quoted part(s) of the US Constitution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_law

 

The general power to Provide for the general welfare is clearly enumerated in Article 1, Section 8.

It is one of the Things our tax monies are to be raised for, through the social power to Tax.