Why is welfare moral?

Me>> Tell me if you believe we have such an obligation what obligation back do those who receive such aid have?

Welfare that is, if I am obliged to provide for their well being then what obligation do they have back to me?

That's it? I thought not breaking the law was a given for everyone. So my only obligation to them should also be I won't break the law don't you agree?

 

If only, we could be moral enough to bear true witness to our own laws.

 

That's it??? That's all ya got? Fluff? No specifics? Nothing of substance? Nothing that deals with the complex reality that is our nation of 300M people?

Well, I guess that's about all I should have expected. Okay then. Yes. If only all was lovely and perfect and it rained porterhouse steaks on Fridays...

Next.

 

A healthy and compassionate society provides a safety net and welfare for those that are at the pointy end of society's nasty little stick. Those out of work through no fault of their own, those too sick to work, those mentally unable to work. It does this not solely FOR the unemployed but because to do otherwise is unthinkable.

 

That is the worst kind of disincentive to work.

 

There are enough genuine charities, soup kitchens, etc. so that won't happen.. People will try harder to get a job. Too many people are satisfied with collecting welfare and not trying to get a job.

 

The indians did not engage in private ownership of land. They were pretty much nomadic.

 

You are misinformed about the amount of spending on the military, however, defense is the job of the federal government. Welfare is supposed to be done at the local level.

 

a market based wage is always an incentive to work.

 

Your the one that can't think buddy.

The point of this thread is that the welfare state is immoral. It's legalized slavery. This is a moral question. Your answer is that it's the law. Using the excuse that it's the law does not make something moral. If you can't follow this simple train of then your are brain damaged.

 

Some liberals claim Hoover Dam and the Fed are picking up the moral slack of the right regarding "goodwill toward men".

 

Well that is not what we ARE talking about, we are talking about welfare.

We are talking government WELFARE.

Sigh.........so once again if I am obligate to turn over some of my paycheck to pay for the needs of someone else, what obligation do they have back to me the taxpayer?

 

So you still have Zero in response to "So what would you propose in place of our current system?"?
Hmmm. The pattern is obvious. Criticize. Whine. When challenged to come up with a solution? Dodge. Change the subject. Go so far into the abstract that you can't be found by those of us living in reality.
So again, what would your propose? Where specifically has what you would propose worked well for the majority of a major nation?
Lemme guess. You'll dodge, change the subject and so on... again.

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So you still have Zero in response to "So what would you propose in place of our current system?"?
Hmmm. The pattern is obvious. Criticize. Whine. When challenged to come up with a solution? Dodge. Change the subject. Go so far into the abstract that you can't be found by those of us living in reality.
So again, what would your propose? Where specifically has what you would propose worked well for the majority of a major nation?
Lemme guess. You'll dodge, change the subject and so on... again.

 

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I am done with you and guys like you in this forum who resort to put downs and personal insults when debating issues. So good by and good luck.

 

Ah. The dodge with the excuse for a Cut & Run when confronted with providing something other than criticism. So then you would be a Conservative, eh? Okay, run along then.

 

I did, we are not talking government jobs where people are paid to work.

Dodge.

 

I vote we solve for a natural rate of unemployment engendered by capitalism, using existing laws and existing infrastructure in every State of the Union and the federal districts.

 

I asked people to '"name a law" and to stop quoting parts of the US Constitution -- "The authority for the material in the United States Code comes from its enactment through the legislative process and not from its presentation in the Code. For example, the United States Code omitted 12 U.S.C. § 92 for decades, apparently because it was thought to have been repealed. In its 1993 ruling in U.S. National Bank of Oregon v. Independent Insurance Agents of America, the Supreme Court ruled that §92 was still valid law." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Code#Legal_status

 

Our federal Congress usually does it through budget appropriations.

 

I believe better roads and aqueducts are always a good idea regardless of the age we live in.