Turns out that less than 97% of geoscientists agree with Al Gore & Obama

Those scientists that actually do research on Climate and Climate Change are nearly unanimous on the fact of Global Warming and on the fact that mankind is partially responsible.

 

No I am saying that those without actual expertise in the field are at best educated laypeople on the subject. Many engineers are noted for not believing in evolution as well. Those with actual expertise in the field are the ones who ought to be listened to.

 

A very obtuse reply.

I choose to believe you're not quite as thick as you're letting on and actually understood my point, perhaps to save my own faith in humanity.

 

My point was, sometimes the Experts are not the best source of a critical review of a scientific theory or process.

If you actually had any experience in practicing science, you'd know that often, the PhD cannot see the obvious because all of his extensive training prevents him from seeing what is right in front of him. He is so assured of his "Knowledge", that he does question his assumptions anymore.

In the case of the "Climate Scientists", it is far worse. The whole subject has been extremely politicized. Those who have degrees in the subject are more activists than scientists, because the schools that offer degrees in such subjects are using " Professors " ( and I offer the title loosely ) are more radical demagogues than practicing scientists.

Additionally, in the area of "Climate Studies", the funding for the research almost always comes from Government, and then sponsored by Leftie Office holders with a power and profit agenda.

If you want to get HONEST evaluation of climate theories, you're far better off getting well trained and experienced Engineers and Scientists from other branches of science, who have the basic knowledge needed to understand the concepts and data, and are commonly held to stringent standards of scientific review by their peers when reporting their findings, and have them look at what has been presented by the "Climate Scientists" in their "Climate Studies".

What you will find when this is done, and I've watching it happening and been part of those discussions, those people claiming that the Earth's current climate change is human caused are laughed out of the building.

Those Climate Scientists who state that it is much too early to tell, and that humans are a possible cause, but it is already evident that they are a minor influence at best, are usually also disciplined enough to present their findings and data in keeping with the standards and rigor that the non-Climate Scientists reviewers are held too in other branches of science such as medicine, physics, aerodynamics and electronics.

I'll ask again, why is "Climate Science" not being held to the same standards of peer review, mathematical precision, data collection evidence chain, calibration documentation, and all the rest of the accountability standards used in all other branches of science?

Maybe, just maybe, the fact that the Leftie Demagogues pushing the agenda are looking to control and spend TRILLION$$$$$ has allot to do with it.

AGW is not Science, it is disgusting, manipulative Politics!

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There are climatologists among this group surveyed.

Regardless, among polls of strictly those who are climatologists, other surveys have found that 97% believe mankind is partially (from 100% to 0.00000000000000001% responsible) for climate change. Those in this survey, 98.2%.

I was responding to someone who said this was a group biased against the opinion of climatologists, yet MORE of this group believes that mankind has had an impact on climate change than the climatologists. What I had asked him/her for was a survey of ONLY climatologists (since he/she objected to engineers being in the survey) that actually sought to break down their opinions, as this survey did. Note, of these climatologists and engineers working for the oil industry, nearly 2/5 still believe that mankind is the primary cause of climate change. Hardly a really biased group.

With these surveys, they show a general agreement among scientists that mankind has had an impact on the environment, but this is the only one (that I'm aware of) that actually breaks their opinion down on to what degree.

 

Have you ever been to a Findings Peer Review Presentation?

Have you seen the guidelines for scientific peer review publication for footnoting and data presentation and accountability?

Have you ever seen a poll of Non-Climate Scientists opinions of the "Climate Scientists" theories, methods and practices?

Climate Science, with a few notable exceptions, is NOT science, it is wacko leftie politics masquerading as science!

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No, nor do I think it's important that I have. I'll agree that a climate scientists are, at a minimum, as biased as those polled (in the survey I posted) are because they work for the oil industry.

 

Ah yes it's one giant political conspiracy for the left to take over the world. How foolish of me to not see this.

 

Gee, what a coincidence!! Global warming 'scientists' say there is global warming!! Who wouldda thunk? LOL

 

Physicists are biased, they fall into various camps when it comes to subjects like whether there are sub-atomic particles that exist independently at a level below quarks, or not.

But when they get together to debate the subject, they hold within a framework of peer review rules and standards, which makes the debates meaningful.

It is just fine for a physicist to have and champion his pet theory, in fact, at this stage, it is the only way to make progress in the overall science.

The bias is not the problem, but it has to be checked by peer review, standards and procedures, publication of raw and processed data, and strict logging of the processes used to collect that data. Above all, those presenting the data have to do so with demonstrated INTEGRITY!

"Climate Science" is NOT doing any of this!

Why should this particular field be complete exempt from the requirements put on the rest of Science?

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The O'l "you're a conspiracy theorists, therefore anything you say is meaningless" argument...


Yeah, well, human nature has not changed much since the pharaohs.

Of COARSE there are conspiracies at work, probably dozens of them from all sides.

Anytime there is multiple Trillion$$$$$ of dollars at stake, there will always be conspiracies at work, that is basic human nature, and you're a fool and/or a liar to say otherwise.

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You do realize that your very argument that 90+ % of "Climate Scientists" agree on Human Caused Global Warming, is in itself the biggest argument that the whole thing is a SCAM!


90+ % of people in any field of science NEVER agree on anything, unless there is strong coercion evolved.


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97% of all climate scientists say man made global warming is happening.
The ice at the North Pole is starting to melt because of global warming.
Most of the worlds governments are preparing for rising sea levels from the melting ice.

NASA (the people who send robots to Mars), say that global warming could stop deep ocean currents, and put 1 mile of ice on America and Europe.
Or global warming could stop our main food crops from growing where they presently grow.

Men are supposed to protect women and children, but all of you are willing to (risk) the security of all of our future relatives, for what ??

Why are all of you ignoring the dangers of global warming ??

 

You said "90+ % of people in any field of science NEVER agree on anything, unless there is strong coercion evolved."

But reality is over 90% of scientists agree on (many) things.
What percentage of scientists believe that (prolonged) exposure to high radiation levels causes cancer ?
What percentage of scientists believe the Earth is spinning?
What percentage of scientists believe the Earth orbits around the Sun?

Over 90% of scientists believe in the above things. Are you also saying that radiation causing cancer is a scam ??

You don't know a damn thing about global warming, and your giving scientific lectures about it.

 

*Chuckle...

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lol...

 

Chad if all the ice at the North Pole melted tomorrow it wouldn't raise sea levels an inch...

Chad of the 160k glaciers on the planet we have good long term reliable data for about 5%.

The south Pole is cooling except for one Peninsula changin a 3000 year old trend.

The Sahara desert began shrinking in the eighties changing and 8000 year trend.

Exactly what does a global average temperature mean given the shortcomings in how the data is collected?

 

Varves and Drumlins!

Varves and Drumlins my friend... They show the AGW theories to be the fraud that they are, without question.

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Always remember that American extremists are not interested in truth - just in grovelling to their masters as the world is destroyed.

 

And leftist try to stir up fear in order to gain power... I have no master but the people you support would like to change that...

 

All of the following sources say melting ice is causing sea levels to rise. These sources say sea levels will rise around 2 to 7 feet in the next 50 years. And over the next few centuries the oceans could rise 30 feet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_sea_level_rise
http://e360.yale.edu/feature/how_high_will_seas_rise_get_ready_for_seven_feet/2230/
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/20...se-it-could-be-worse-than-we-think/?mobile=nc
http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/green-science/global-warming4.htm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...rns-sea-levels-rising-far-faster-thought.html
http://whyfiles.org/091beach/5.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130219102449.htm
http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/
http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/florida.shtml
http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/critical-issues-sea-level-rise/
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/bl...ses-sea-levels-and-reinforces-global-warming/

The above sources came from places like NASA and the EPA, but I believe you will disagree with the above sources.
Would you explain why we should trust Fox news and Rush radio in matters of global warming, rather than trusting NASA and the EPA ??

 

I wouldnt bother looking at those. If you've found 11 good sources, pick a handful, because I'm not going to run through about a dozen links. i looked at one (NASA seemed most credible), but it was a blog citing the findings of a report. For all we know a handful of guys rolled two dice, got snake eyes and sevens.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but don't waste your time gathering a dozen links- no one has that much time to read them all, and I doubt you actually read them yourself. But you're right- sea levels are rising, and it's getting warmer. I read somewhere that water actually shrinks as it gets further from 4C and, acxording to what i read, the main factor for rising sea levels is actually water expansion, as water approaches 4C.
Interesting thought you dont hear much in the global warming debate, just like you never hear about thermal vents.

 

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Ok, so the ice caps are melting in our millennium.

They have melted in the past in many other Millenniums.

Just because its melting now, does not mean that Human Activities are the primary cause of them melting, and it is easy to show scientifically by simple scaling laws, that human activity is unlikely to be even major contributor.

It is also easy to show, by simple scaling laws, that human actions, pushed by radical environment agendas, will not have much impact on the climate changing.

But it will allow Liberals to seize control of TRILLION$$$$ of dollars and dictate just about ever facet of our lives.

Hmmmmmmm?....... I wonder what the Liberals REAL agenda is?

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I have read the sources, and no, they don't. You are just makin' $#!+ up. What SOME of them say is that sea level COULD rise that much, given certain unproved assumptions.

No, such claims are ridiculous.

I disagree that the above sources say what you claim they say. The few that offer such wild, alarmist predictions offer no credible evidence for them, and the ones that offer credible evidence do not make such wild, alarmist predictions. The most credible estimates are that global sea level will rise 5-10 inches over the next century, as it did in the last century.

Why should we trust YOU when you are makin' $#!+ up about what NASA and the EPA say?