If this latest Monsanto Protection act did not cause an up rise,NOTHING WILL!

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  1. PPP

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    You people have no clue of the reality of this do you?

    This is a license to genetically alter and POISON food without out any legal recourse whatsoever........

    This is genocide,plain and simple.........

    Monsanto knows many people will get sick and die from these harmful agents........

    Basically our governments support profit cartels over human life and is best for this WORLD...........

    You people deserve to die if you don't immediately demand this act be reversed along with genetic food manipulation become illegal world wide!!
     
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    And some good reading articles, in case any one would like to read up on it:

    http://jezebel.com/5993018/whats-the-monsanto-protection-act-and-why-is-it-all-over-facebook
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57576835/critics-slam-obama-for-protecting-monsanto/
     
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    Well, your beloved US government just gave the reigns to Monsanto to do what they wish to all of our food supply in the US without legal repercussions.........

    In other words............

    genocide through genetic food manipulation while making a huge profit in the process...........

    Imagine the pharmaceutical profit Monsanto will make from these new manufactured diseases they are going create.............
     
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    Perhaps when most people figure out that the bugs became resistant to Roundup, and they are using Agent Orange.


    http://foodfreedomgroup.com/2012/04/17/monsanto-bringing-agent-orange-back-from-the-dead/
     
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    Obama bungled this one. We need legislation to stop Monsanto, not protect it. Obama the corporatist strikes again.
     
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    Translation: there's absolutely no evidence of any detrimental effects whatsoever.

    This bill scares me somewhat for a variety of reasons, but turning this into a "GMO = poison" thread is just silly.

    ...Oh wait, it started off on that note.

    I'm out of here.
     
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    100% correct: It also means there is absolutely no evidence that it doesn't cause detrimental effects.

    Of course when you own the FDA, that isn't surprising in the least!
     
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    Since you all now accepted the Monsanto Protection Act without a fight........

    You will surely accept the outlawing of vitamins and minerals act in the very near future....

    You will surely accept the outlawing of growing your own food act as well...


    These are just a few that are on deck waiting for the right time and place to sneak into law............
     
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    If it wasn't for Tester from Montana, they would have outlawed the sale of seeds that weren't Monsanto, to grow vegetabels in your own backyard!
     
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    Really? You sure about that?
     
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    2,4-D-resistant corn


    Keep telling people agent orange is safe!

    That is a good selling point!

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    Anything other than random paranoia? Nobody is claiming Agent Orange is safe for human consumption. The fact is that there is a (*)(*)(*)(*)load of stupid fearmongering going on based around this sort of stuff, and it's irritating. GMO foods often have significant benefits over non-GMO foods when it comes to production, and this luddite fearmongering is nothing but exactly that. Once you have a reasonable complaint, then throw it my way.
     
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    http://foodfreedomgroup.com/2012/04/17/monsanto-bringing-agent-orange-back-from-the-dead/
     
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    Do you have a source that isn't... How should I put this... On a similar level to NaturalNews? Or maybe some sort of evidence dealing with the whole "seeping into our food" bit?
     
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    From what I understand is that 2-4-D is a broadleaf weed killer and corn has alwas been resistant to it, so I don't know what the big hubbub is about. And from my little bit of research it was Dow chemical that came up with it and not Monsanto. Unless they bought the patents it will not be for sale because Dow is not going to sell it.

    A lot of people use 2-4-D on their lawns to get rid of many kinds of broadleaf weeds. It is done all the time. I am not saying it is a good thing i am just saying it has been done for years and it is not new.

    The farmers are going to have problems with herbicides I believe.. because when you get so many chemical resistant crops, your crops can become weeds. A plant that is not growing where it is supposed to is a weed. If you grow roundup resistant soy and then follow with roundup resistant corn you get soybeans in your corn fields reducing yeilds. The you get corn in your soybean fields. Spraying will not help....unless you go to another chemical like 2-4-D to get rid of the soy in the corn. Then you have to use a grass killer to get the corn out of the soy....it just keeps etting more expensive.
     
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    Translation: There hasn't been enough study on it to determine that there isn't any side effects. As such, we should label all of the foods that have GMO's in it until it can be proven that it doesn't cause damage to humans. To have the FDA say labeling of GM food 'can only serve to mislead and falsely alarm consumers', I have issues with that.

    Over 50 countries have mandatory labeling of GMO food (http://www.labelgmos.org/the_science_genetically_modified_foods_gmo). 70% of corn & 93% of soy based farmlands have GMO's (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eatingwell/gmo-foods_b_849638.html#s264760&title=Genetically_Modified_Food). Essentially, your chances of consuming GMO's are high.

    Regardless if they're harmful or not, I'd say label ALL food that has GMO products within it. Let me decide what's best for me, not what others determine is best for me. Science has been proven right & wrong so many times, I'd rather not put my health in someone else hands. Especially not when the US Federal courts can't even file suit against them, if it's been proven to have side effects. If it's known not to cause harm, why would they need to have some clause in a bill that says you can't file suit against me? No need to spread the fear-mongering, Monsanto is doing a damn good job by themselves.
     
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    International Business Times‎ -

    By Connor Adams Sheets | March 27 2013 3:03 PM




    The "Monsanto Protection Act" is the name opponents of the Farmer Assurance Provision have given to this terrifying piece of policy, and it's a fitting moniker given its shocking content.

    President Barack Obama signed a spending bill, HR 933, into law on Tuesday that includes language that has food and consumer advocates and organic farmers up in arms over their contention that the so-called "Monsanto Protection Act" is a giveaway to [COLOR=blue !important]corporations[/COLOR] that was passed under the cover of darkness.


    There's a lot being said about it, but here are five terrifying facts about the Farmer Assurance Provision -- Section 735 of the spending bill -- to get you acquainted with the reasons behind the ongoing uproar:

    1.) The "Monsanto Protection Act" effectively bars federal courts from being able to halt the sale or planting of controversial genetically modified (aka GMO) or genetically engineered (GE) seeds, no matter what health issues may arise concerning GMOs in the future. The advent of genetically modified seeds -- which has been driven by the massive Monsanto Company -- and their exploding use in farms across America came on fast and has proved a huge boon for Monsanto's profits.


    But many anti-GMO folks argue there have not been enough studies into the potential health risks of this new class of crop. Well, now it appears that even if those studies are completed and they end up revealing severe adverse health effects related to the consumption of genetically modified foods, the courts will have no ability to stop the spread of the seeds and the crops they bear.


    2.) The provision's language was apparently written in collusion with Monsanto. Lawmakers and companies working together to craft legislation is by no means a rare occurrence in this day and age. But the fact that Sen. Roy Blunt, Republican of Missouri, actually worked with Monsanto on a provision that in effect allows them to keep selling seeds, which can then go on to be planted, even if it is found to be harmful to consumers, is stunning. It's just another example of corporations bending Congress to their will, and it's one that could have dire risks for public health in America.


    3.) Many members of Congress were apparently unaware that the "Monsanto Protection Act" even existed within the bill they were voting on. HR 933 was a spending bill aimed at averting a government shutdown and ensuring that the federal government would continue to be able to pay its bills. But the Center for Food Safety maintains that many Democrats in Congress were not even aware that the provision was in the legislation:

    “In this hidden backroom deal, Sen. [Barbara] Mikulski turned her back on consumer, environmental and farmer protection in favor of corporate welfare for biotech companies such as Monsanto,” Andrew Kimbrell, executive director of the Center for Food Safety, said in a statement. “This abuse of power is not the kind of leadership the public has come to expect from Sen. Mikulski or the Democrat Majority in the Senate.”


    4.) The President did nothing to stop it, either. On Tuesday, Obama signed HR 933 while the rest of the nation was fixated on gay marriage, as the U.S. Supreme Court heard oral argument concerning California's Proposition 8. But just because most of the nation and the media were paying attention to gay marriage doesn't mean that others were not doing their best to express their opposition to the "Monsanto Protection Act." In fact, more than 250,000 voters signed a petition opposing the provision. And Food Democracy Now protesters even took their fight straight to Obama, protesting in front of the White House against Section 735 of the bill. He signed it anyway.


    5.) It sets a terrible precedent. Though it will only remain in effect for six months until the government finds another way to fund its operations, the message it sends is that corporations can get around consumer safety protections if they get Congress on their side. Furthermore, it sets a precedent that suggests that court challenges are a privilege, not a right.

    “I think any time you tweak with the ability of the public to seek redress from the courts, you create a huge risk,” Seattle attorney Bill Marler -- who has represented victims of foodborne illness in successful lawsuits against corporations -- told the New York Daily News.
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDkQqQIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibtimes.com%2Fmonsanto-protection-act-5-terrifying-things-know-about-hr-933-provision-1156079&ei=RzNaUd7aA8XH0wGb6YCoAQ&usg=AFQjCNFIYaR2XyueXw8zWG7eRCyRxitRFQ&bvm=bv.44442042,d.dmQ
     
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    The republicans take 2x as much money from Mansanto than the democrats do, as the following sources show.

    Monsanto Co | Influence Explorer: Campaign Finance, Lobbying, Regulations, Federal Spending, EPA Violations and Advisory Committees
    Monsanto Co Contributions to Federal Candidates | OpenSecrets



    And republicans help Monsanto 20x more than the democrats do. Mitt Romney helped Monsanto more than Obama, as the following sources show.

    Mitt Romney, Monsanto Man | The Nation
    How Mitt Romney Helped Monsanto Take Over the World | Mother Jones
    Mitt Romney Is All In For Monsanto | Neon Tommy
    How Mitt Romney and Bain Helped Grow Monsanto Into a Biotech Giant | Alternet
    Mitt Romney and Monsanto, 35 years of Mutual Help
    Romney And Bain Boosted Agriculture Giant Monsanto In Spite Of Toxic Past | ThinkProgress
    » Romney’s first project with Bain in 1977: Help propel Monsanto Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
    The Mitt Romney – Monsanto Connection | Dprogram.net
    Daily Kos: Mitt Romney and Monsanto - a match made in food safety Hell



    GW Bush helped Monsanto more than Obama, as the following sources show.

    Monsanto's High Level Connections to the Bush Administration - SourceWatch
    Political corruption of Monsanto and its influence
    Don' t you guys worry that poor lil Monsanto has no clout? - Democratic Underground
    Monsanto's Influence in the George W. Bush Administration



    The best one is that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was president of Searle Pharmaceuticals, a company owned by Monsanto... Rumsfeld is believed to have earned around $12 million US dollars from the sale of Searle to Monsanto. Racketeering charges were filed against Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld and Monsanto.

    Racketeering Charges Filed Against Donald Rumsfeld & Monsanto
    Donald Rumsfeld is evil
    NWV -- Donald Rumsfeld and Aspartame



    The republicans help Monsanto 20x more than democrats do, but you republicans don't care about that fact do you ??

    Now you can get back to your Obama bashing fantasy land.
     
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    Wow. You got so much wrong in this post.

    If corn is already resistant, then why does Monsanto have a specific 2-4D strain of corn?

    Second, you won't get soy bean seeds in your corn crop because Monsanto genetically engineered and patented the farm seeds to die off each cycle, and it is now law that you can only buy there seeds for large farms.

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    Funny, and here I thought it was old Billy Bob that was the first to appoint a Monsanto CEO to the head of the FDA.

    Are you telling me Bush Sr. was?
     
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    The giant corporations own the US government. Their lobbyists carry the messages between government officials and corporate heads, and also work as couriers for bribes and kickbacks. This has been approved by the majority of voters for decades, and denounced by consumer advocates and other socially conscientious individuals.

    It is the system of capitalism the US has embraced and conservatives have fought to maintain. Profit over public well-being is the American way; anything else is deemed socialism, or worse.
     
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    How can you say this, and think that this has anything to do with liberal or conservative, and that both parties are not whole sale bought and paid for whore's?
     
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    Republicans and Democrats in office are not necessarily the conservatives or liberals they claim to be. Most are, however, for sale to the highest bidder. This does not include their constituencies. But it IS the rank and file Republicans (mostly conservative) that defend Big Business' right to profit over the need for the clean air and water we need for life. These are the voters clamoring for the deregulation that permits gross pollution by the corporate giants.
     
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    I don't think Monsanto would poison the world population, I just feel sorry for the farmers being forced to but their seeds from an exploitative cartel. Plus, America will end up being screwed if they ever have a serious famine.
     

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