Margaret Thatcher dead...

I didn't say it was masculine...I said that you think that feminism is not what feminists say it is. I am not arguing she was a value to feminist causes, she inspired many women. But she couldn't have achieved what she did if she was more outspoken for women's rights. That is a problem.

Oh most don't and didn't think she was the greatest since Churchill, her approval ratings were really low and was ousted by her own party.

Still a great woman is gone and she should be mourned but we should make her out a saint or savior. She had many good traits and many bad. But today is not the day to pick at the bones of her legacy.

 

The left really really hates Margaret Thatcher for some reason, even long after she left politics. They seem intent on trashing her memory, whether deserved or not. I really think it had something to do with her being a woman, the first female prime minister in fact. The feminists feel betrayed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...argaret-Thatchers-tumultuous-premiership.html

 

That's because they prefer to be employed and do no work, yet get paid for it, at the expense of those who are not union members and actually work for a living.

 

RIP. She was a great leader whatever you say about her policies, it took alot of guts to go after the falklands and she won 3 successive general elections I believe that she fundamentally believed that in tackling the unions she was saving the UK and she was, for all that the tories would like to believe a major supporter of britains continuted involvement in the European community.

It is uncontestable that she hastened the demise of british heavy industry but in many ways the decline was inevitable I leave it to poserity to judge whether her reforms were for the greater good of the UK.

 

I'm guttted.

No wait, I got that wrong.

I am not gutted.

A state funeral calls. Give the Scots 5million shovels, and we will do it for free.

 

I think one of the factors in this is her celebration of Neoliberalism (a policy I despise), and along with Reagan she formed the stranglehold it has on the world today. Further, her incompetency in the Falklands was disappointing.

 

I have mixed feelings on her.

On the one hand she stood up to the unions who wanted to bully the government (and hence the rest of society) to bend to their will no matter how selfish and greedy their demands, defended the sovereignty of our people (Falklands... can you imagine what would have happened with someone like Nick Clegg in charge? "Sorry Argentina, you're COMPLETELY right!!! Have them. Have Gibraltar and Hong Kong too while you're at it!". She also stood by her principles and what she believed in, and stood strong against the Soviet Communist threat with Reagan.

On the other hand she was stubborn and refused to compromise to get things done, introduced some terrible policies (poll tax) that sparked civil unrest from both sides of the political spectrum and supported the disgusting Section 28 that banned teachers from "promoting" homosexuality (but allowed them to openly condemn it!).

I'm torn, but she was a strong character who will be remembered long after many of the current political riff-raff.

 

I wish worker's unions did not have to be so politically polarizing. I do not see unions as either inherently good or inherently bad. They can be both. I realize unions tend to have plenty of corruption and special interests, and that they are an imperfect solution to the problems they allege to solve, but nevertheless they fill a function, trying to uphold decent wages and working conditions.

 

Oh that is fine, I agree with that - point taken. But she didn't call herself a victim and perpetuate victim theory which is now the big thing among "intellectuals". She was a pull yourself up type. That is what I was referring too. Maybe I am mistaken, as an American it is likely.

-after how many years? Fatigue of any politician is bound to happen.

Agreed.

 

Yes, I would have to agree with you. Neoliberalism is absolutely awful. But it may not be as bad as what is proceeding it.

 

At the expense of new entrants to the market and at the expense of other workers with higher prices thanks to the protections they lobby for, or they government spending they increase etc... Unions are only OK in theory, and to the people they protect, but in practice they all do society harm.

Working conditions are no different in union businesses then they are non union businesses in America. Unions were 3% of the workforce when the length of the work day was dropped. Non union jobs in America are just as safe, personal injury lawyers ensure that.

 

Her policy of privatizations continues to thrust people into poverty, I don't give one sh*t about the short-lived poverty decline you claim when her policies are still wrecking Britain's economy today.

 

It makes a change then from the unions policies of yesteryear.

 

What union policies?

 

No one is ever responsible for anything except conservatives. When a policy fails, never look to the people who started the policy, just blame any conservative that was in office at any particular time. Did I get it right this time?

 

I don't care much for the labor party either. And yeah, I'm blaming Thatcher for the privatizations that she pursued.

 

Why would they when they can enjoy all their luxury. Wouldn't want to ruffle the new suit you know. At the time though I can remember hearing a lot about 'up and coming' Lager louts causing a lot of fights.

 

Oh! Of course. There weren't any!

Other than wreck the economy for the benefit of union members who were paid not to work and then strike for even more pay.

 

Yes, you got it right. Not that a socialist would even contemplate that.

 

She used the Scottish Oil to fund mass unemployment and her believe was that service industries would take off and of course Financial Services. She then reduced the level of unemployment hoping that people would need to accept anything to get a loaf of bread for the table. This did not work because the Unions got wise to it and people went of 'sick' and got enough to live in. She failed there as lack of investment in certain areas has resulted in families having generations on welfare being a definite underclass.

She cannot be forgiven for selling our Democracy even though it definitely was Tony Blair who really got into and finished that one off.

 

Be honest, does anyone actually care?

She always struck me as a total witch.

 

Ice cream and jelly anyone?

 

The Iron lady, second only to Winston Churchill in the list of Greatest British PMs of the 20th Centry.

The Russians really were scared of her Political honesty, which they always hate to admit.

 

I hope they bury her with a miner's boot up her arse.

 

It's not surprising that you are a supporter of anarchy.