American Business Men Outsource Jobs To Cruise Ship, Instead of Hiring Americans.

American Business Men Outsource Jobs To Cruise Ship, Instead of Hiring Americans.

They are building a cruise ship out in California so they can import high tech foreigners to work for lower wages than Americans. Why don' they use that to invest in training of under skilled workers?

Instead they want to bypass the law which protects high skilled American jobs from being outsourced to foreigners with tourism Visas. They live on the ship and take a 20 minute boat ride onto the mainland every week.

These are not patriots, its no wonder people choose welfare over working for these scoundrels.

http://homes.yahoo.com/news/worlds-next-great-city-sited-cruise-ship-141500160.html

 

What part of the abject failure of 2 or 3 score federal jobs programs administered by nearly as many different agencies to train anyone to do anything useful do you not understand. They need people that can already do the job. They have neither the time nor the money to teach people who have been utterly failed by our federalized education system to read and write so that they can then teach them the same things anyone with a bit of gumption can acquire from a four year college.

 

What gives you the opinion that ANYONE opens a company for the express purpose of providing jobs?

 

I agree, shouldn't rely on capitalists for jobs. Capitalists mostly provide luxuries (movies, worse operating systems, stupid phones, and junk food), so tax them to pay Americans to manufacture and farm. If they all leave, I consider this a bonus.

 

Unfortunately for that really bizzare line of thought burz if you are going to produce product you will eventually need to hire people. You don't start a business to create jobs but starting a business will eventually mean that you have to hire competent people to assist you in the sale manufacture and distribution of your product.

 

The education system is bad in America, but it is no excuse for Businesses to act this way for more profits.

Americans are not dunces, they can be trained for higher skilled labor jobs. The problem is the jobs are labor intensive factory work, and they should pay more than what is being offered. For all the hassle of being trained to work a hard job that does not pay a lot of money, welfare is the better option.

 

Wish I would have thought of this first.

 

Our federalized education system is for poor people. Middle class people go to private schools.

And the American people have been utterly failed by our large corporations.
In the 1970's American workers had high paying jobs like making televisions, cameras, computers, radio's, ex.ex.

But America's large corporations outsourced those jobs to get cheaper labor (and increase corporate profits.)

 

As someone who once tried to get a job with a Cruiseline..

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Instead of blaming businessmen for responding to market incentives, why not figure out why they are doing this? Its probably because California has created a hostile environment for doing business. Fix that.

 

I see reps as usual are making excuses for businessmen laying off american workers to make more profits. Yet whine about mexicans. Hypocrisy at its finest

 

There are several reasons for putting these jobs on a ship. They can hire these foreigners much cheaper than American workers. They won't be able to unionize and they can be sent back to their 3rd world hole any time they upset management.

If there is a shortage of trained tech workers in America it's because the cost of education has risen beyond the reach of so many.

The crime is that these business thugs will be able to bring their products into the U.S. duty free.

 

The crime is that businessmen feel compelled to take extreme measures to avoid California's hostile business environment. Fix that.

 

State collectivist drones can NEVER lay blame on their gods of regulatory / confiscatory / redistributive central planning.

Who would steal for them?

 

While I won't defend the California business environment it has nothing to do with this scheme. They've been doing this kind of thing for years. Only it just affected low tech jobs. Now that high tech has grown up the owners are finding new ways to secure the cheapest labor possible.

 

I doubt rich businesses are really trying to build/renovate cruise ships to employ low wage workers. The very idea of it is for high skilled workers.

But here's the catch I'm sure you're not aware of - it's to avoid high regulations and high taxes. The founders of google were talking about doing the same thing because they CAN do their job anywhere, yet they're paying hefty taxes to do it in America. They don't need to. And these are liberals, mind you. The founder of facebook changed his citizenship to save money on taxes. This is nothing new or shocking. These people don't owe YOU anything. If you don't want them doing this, then stop making "the patriotic thing to do" so punitive.

 

It's good to see we have a flush of new members.

So here's the thing - the underlying problem with what you mentioned is government. Americans wouldn't be laying off American workers and finding ways to avoid American taxes and regulation if it wasn't so punitive to higher Americans - that's the government's fault, not the business'. On immigration, mass immigration of unskilled workers is not an inherent problem, at all. But when the government sets up a massive welfare system to take care of the poor, those immigrants end up being a huge drain on the system. That's not the businessman's fault, that's the government's fault.

In short, government solutions created these problems, not businesses.

 

probably because they will be registered in a foreign country because our laws make it too hard for the cruise lines to be competitive and the insurance rates will be cheaper and then the legal laws will be in their favor

 

WHAT??? Protectionism isn't working???!? Why, then, we just need more of it!

 

And the American people have been utterly failed by our large corporations. In the 1970's American workers had high paying jobs like making televisions, cameras, computers, radio's, ex.ex blame the fact that most Americans could no longer afford to buy American on government policy. Job mobility essentialy ended for most workers when the government tied health care to their job. Their effective take home pay decreased with every new program the government insisted your boss under take on your behalf. With every minimum wage increase a new false floor was placed under the working man's salary by increasing cost without increasing productivity. In the end , as i said, it isn't the cat running the corporation that's killing the working man it is government policy that is squeezing him from both ends.

 

So on top of getting high skilled cheap foreign labor, they are avoiding paying more taxes, and abiding by regulations intended to help the environment and make American job conditions better.

Their getting a better deal than the majority of voters, a democracy is supposed to be on the side of the majority. They use their profits to buy policies that allow them to do this.

 

Set taxes higher on imports from countries that don't pay an American wage. Set the tax to go up or down based on the wage they pay their people so that the more they pay their employees the less taxes they have to pay. Then maybe we'll get a fair shake.

 

Just more proof we need open immigration laws. Too bad there are so many people like OP that hate foreigners. Get over it nativists, people will continue to skirt your laws. Time to get some sensible ones in place.

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Wouldn't they have a suit for a countervailing duty if that happened? What would be gained? Low wage labor for our people that is worth next to nothing internationally?

 

So what if they raise their imports from us in retaliation we already buy more from them than they buy from us therefore it would help us more than hurt us. What would be to gained is more American made products sold not only in America but elsewhere as well because if we level the cost of wages world wide the cost of goods will go up to accommodate it. So I'll go without a big screen tv in return for a job that will pay my rent. It's a good trade off.

 

So are you trying to suggest that we tell Americans they can't move overseas, or buy/build organizations outside of the United States? Why is that only evil when corporations do it? Why is it not evil when the Peace Corps go overseas, instead of working in America? Why is it evil for rich men to build a workcenter outside of the U.S. (a completely voluntary act), but okay for the government to send billions and billions of dollars overseas (through involuntary taxes)?

Such rampant hypocrisy.